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Re: big block VS small block [Re: w7smallblock] #1035635
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when i was 16 i bought a 71 challenger no motor or tranny.found a 65 chrysler station wagon for 300 dollars with a 2 barrel 383.changed the 2 barroel tm6 intake and 750 holley double pumper.had to get a tranny rebuilt cause it was cable shift.with that car i beat a 340 duster 351w mustang 350hp 350 corvette 360 dodge truck and a 289 hi po mustang.icould turn that motor 6000 rpm no problem.that transmission guy must have built me one helluva tranny

Re: big block VS small block [Re: d-150] #1035636
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i forgot i bolted the intake on backwards and my buddy noticed it. maybe that was what made it run.i am 38 now and he still brings that up.

Re: big block VS small block [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1035637
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Man, you big block guys are too much. There is a picture of my Charger 3500 punds + driver, Hod Rod magazine and Car craft also, 440 factory strok and factory heads, 906īs. It ran 10.50 back in the 90īs, street car. 440 are ok and they run strong, but I like small block. there is nothing wrong with small blocks and I beleive they can outrun any big block (So donīt say people start small block and then go big blobk because itīs not true in every case)

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Re: big block VS small block [Re: cbarracuda] #1035638
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i do not think us big block guys dont like small blocks we just want to see a stock stroke 360 j head motor run 10.5 in a 3500 pound car.my next build i want to do a 360 magnum motor got drivetrain just need an a body 70-72 duster

Re: big block VS small block [Re: w7smallblock] #1035639
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It's amazing that in 2011, people still don't understand important things, like "shift recovery" and "useable rpm".

It has nothing to do with....."my big block is better than your small block, or vice versa.

Pity, I tell ya.






You can talk to some people till your blue in the face and in the end all you got was blue in the face If they don't get it by now 2011 they will never get it and thats why most are still stuck thinking it's the 1970's with .590 cams and TRW pistons. If the last statement offends you then you are who I'm talking about.




It's called being "caught up in a time warp". But.. they ARE entitled to think that way and can refuse to "roll with the times", by choice. 1970's, 590 cams and TRW pistons? TWO parts of the previous statement, you can still buy today, BUT the '70's, you can never get BACK to!! FWIW, Do not waste time trying to "educate" those NOT willing to learn OR, at least, listen!



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Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035640
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man i thought i was up to date building a full roller 360 but i must be missing something so please small block guys educate me

Re: big block VS small block [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1035641
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not a lot of traction need to hook w/ 500hp. My old 67 coronet cut 1.65 60 foot and ran 12.0's @114 on factory HP springs and 28.5X10.5's. The new car should be in the high 1.50's on stock HD springs and 275/60/15's. Nothing fancy needed and I'm over 500. buddy's old 69 coronet ran high tens on his old whooped 318 rear leaf springs and traction bars. That's another thing, to get a decent tire on an a-body you have to start cutting.





Not too much of a problem in B-Bodies as you stated above. They are somewhat heavier than the
#3000lbs posted in the thread. B-Bodies do have MORE weight to shift to above the rear axle upon acceleration!! Especially with 500hp 440 packing a truckload of torque to do it with!! If it was in a 3000lb chassis, wheelspin city, unless the chassis was tweaked to handle the output. Lighter chassis, don't need as much torque down low in the range to move it out.



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Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035642
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a body big block chasis setup, 2 batterys in trunk ,spring relocation kit 12.5mt drag radials, dana 60 rear.now i think you would get more wheelspin with heavier car because ur trying to move more weight.

Re: big block VS small block [Re: d-150] #1035643
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man i thought i was up to date building a full roller 360 but i must be missing something so please small block guys educate me




Got the "right" distributor drive/oil pump shaft, for that "race" roller cam? (for starters) Just common sense, I'm not an expert, neither a comedian (not at this instant). It's a serious question.

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Re: big block VS small block [Re: w7smallblock] #1035644
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Sport 440 you need to read what my post stated not what you think it said. I never said 500 bb would be optimized with 3.23 nor would the small block with 4.10.

I was just showing what .83 in gear ratio would do between the two combo's. You also said it wouldn't fall back to 3500 with the right converter and I stated that would be with the converter dead locked (just as an example)

which never happens.




Okay, thanks for showing us that
A mechanical event which never happens.

To me this isnt really about the "BB vs SB"
I love stroked small blocks.

"Its Only about a non stroked "500 HP 440 BB vs a non stroked 500 HP 360"

That, and That alone Is my argument on the position. In that argument, Hands down the BB will win, at this level of performance.

Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035645
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all thats where all the horsepower is hiding

Re: big block VS small block [Re: d-150] #1035646
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a body big block chasis setup, 2 batterys in trunk ,spring relocation kit 12.5mt drag radials, dana 60 rear.now i think you would get more wheelspin with heavier car because ur trying to move more weight.




The lighter the car, the higher in the powerband
you would want your torque peak. You would get more wheelspin out of a heavier car when it's springs flex under power. The right gear/tire/chassis combo would cause a heavier car to "hook" well under full power. In your case with the A-body, you also have enough footprint (tire width) as well as tire circumference (in accordance with your present gear ratio) to "hook".





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Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035647
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It's amazing that in 2011, people still don't understand important things, like "shift recovery" and "useable rpm".

It has nothing to do with....."my big block is better than your small block, or vice versa.

Pity, I tell ya.






You can talk to some people till your blue in the face and in the end all you got was blue in the face If they don't get it by now 2011 they will never get it and thats why most are still stuck thinking it's the 1970's with .590 cams and TRW pistons. If the last statement offends you then you are who I'm talking about.




It's called being "caught up in a time warp". But.. they ARE entitled to think that way and can refuse to "roll with the times", by choice. 1970's, 590 cams and TRW pistons? TWO parts of the previous statement, you can still buy today, BUT the '70's, you can never get BACK to!! FWIW, Do not waste time trying to "educate" those NOT willing to learn OR, at least, listen!






Hyper, No my 248* cam is not a solid. Its the old MP .509 I am stepping up to the MP .590 though with the new combo. Also #3000

And not to be left behind or caught up in the old time warp. Im going to test a modern comparable Comp cam. It does look much better on paper Im coming out of time warp, maybe.

Re: big block VS small block [Re: steeldust] #1035648
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That's another thing, to get a decent tire on an a-body you have to start cutting.




Not on a Duster you don't. I have 275/60/15 drag radials on 15X8 rims with 4.5" backspacing and they fit perfectly with no rubbing.




Yeah, but a Duster is just a Nova rear with a Valiant front clip..


My DUSTER is not a NNOVEE i can`t say it it`s a MOPAR please tail me you are a MOPAR guy and you joking because that hurts but cubic inchs makes horse power ..THANKS




Well, considering I own a '75 Duster and have since 1988...yes, it was a joke!

Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035649
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actually my setup is what i described but it is a dakota

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actually my setup is what i described but it is a dakota




Even better!! That particular model truck KEEPS a
LOT of people GUESSING!!



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Re: big block VS small block [Re: Sport440] #1035651
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Hyper, No my 248* cam is not a solid. Its the old MP .509 I am stepping up to the MP .590 though with the new combo. Also #3000

And not to be left behind or caught up in the old time warp. Im going to test a modern comparable Comp cam. It does look much better on paper Im coming out of time warp, maybe.




The statement of the "time warp" wasn't to "insult" anyone, using "old school" methods. If it did, MY apologies. Heck, I use that method sometimes and it STILL WORKS. My point, basically, was to not be biased in opinion of technology. To me, it doesn't matter the type of method used to build power. As long as you can get SOLID results of good performance from a combo, that's what counts. There is NO set approach. If you have a strong combination going on, perfect it, fine tune it. Just don't change it cause of TIME (AGE) or the fact others DON"T APPROVE. That's not
being an individual, you're becoming a follower, for those TWO reasons alone! 1970's, were great times but I KNOW I
can't go back!!


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Re: big block VS small block [Re: w7smallblock] #1035652
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It's amazing that in 2011, people still don't understand important things, like "shift recovery" and "useable rpm".

It has nothing to do with....."my big block is better than your small block, or vice versa.

Pity, I tell ya.








You can talk to some people till your blue in the face and in the end all you got was blue in the face If they don't get it by now 2011 they will never get it and thats why most are still stuck thinking it's the 1970's with .590 cams and TRW pistons. If the last statement offends you then you are who I'm talking about.


Sometimes, people mistake these threads as a bash a big, or bash a small block deal.

I didn't see it that way at all and the few points I mentioned, I consider critical and therefore should be optimzed no matter the cubic inch, to attain the lowest possible ET.......IMO.

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Sometimes, people mistake these threads as a bash a big, or bash a small block deal.

I didn't see it that way at all and the few points I mentioned, I consider critical and therefore should be optimzed no matter the cubic inch, to attain the lowest possible ET.......IMO.




Don't worry about the "superficial" Jim. Some of us DID understand the facts of your input and consider it very useful (helpful). Thanks!



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Re: big block VS small block [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1035654
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its all about MONEY

big block or small block

its money and time into it


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