Re: big block VS small block
[Re: earthmover]
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07/19/11 01:11 AM
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yes, yes, and yes due to gear
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: sixpackgut]
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07/19/11 01:13 AM
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If both cars were set up ideally than the 360 would make up for the lack of TQ by turning a higher RPM multiplied by a lower rear gear ratio and TQ at the wheels would be the same "in theory".
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
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07/19/11 01:28 AM
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Ive seen 7600 out of a stock stroke 360 with mildy ported iron heads and a .484MP cam. Bash away. I dont think my 440 will go that high (okay okay, I know it wont)
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: 69B3GT]
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07/19/11 01:45 AM
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For a 440 and 360 to make the exact same HP the 360 will have to rev higher (I suppose you could come up with a really crappy built 440 that had to rev to the moon to muster up 500 HP) but in reality a reasonbly well built 440 will not have to rev as high as a 360 to make the same HP. HP ir pretty relative to the air and fuel burned in an engine and a 440 will suck in enough air for 500 hp at a lower RPM than the 360 can. With out some for of artificial power adder the 360 needs to suck in the same air as a 440 for them both to arrive at 500 hp, no way around that and the only way it can suck the same volume of air is fill it more times in the same time span.
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 08:01 AM
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It is all about average hp to the track. Do a poor job of transmission, gearing, or converter selection for either, the other will win. The drive axles don't give a hoot what logo is on the valve cover, or their shape. Just what is coming in from the ring gear.
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/19/11 01:21 PM
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I do agree the 440 will make more hp and cost you about 1/3 a much to build. Takes a bunch of work to make 500hp w/ a 360. Not much on a 440.
you keep saying its 1/3 price...please explain to us how to build a stock 440 and make 500hp,also if u dont mind explain why it would cost so much more for a sb!not tryin to be a wise guy here,,just curiouse cause the bb stuff seems to be the same price if not more
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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07/19/11 01:24 PM
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I have a different opinion based on what the weight of the vehicle is. The heavier the vehicle, the more torque required to move it. So, I would take the stock stroke 440 in a heavy vehicle and a stock stroke 360 in a lighter vehicle.
, Thats why a SB works better IMO in an A body & the BB works better in a B body, thats just my opion.
As for HP, I remember reading an article awhile back where they made around 650 HP with a stock stroke 360 & W9 heads, TR with BG carbs & a big ass roller cam, compression was around 13.1.
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: fishy340]
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07/19/11 01:30 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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I do agree the 440 will make more hp and cost you about 1/3 a much to build. Takes a bunch of work to make 500hp w/ a 360. Not much on a 440.
you keep saying its 1/3 price...please explain to us how to build a stock 440 and make 500hp,also if u dont mind explain why it would cost so much more for a sb!not tryin to be a wise guy here,,just curiouse cause the bb stuff seems to be the same price if not more
because you need to do MUCH more to a SB to get the numbers out of them. How hard is that to figure out? A stock stroke 10:1 440 w/ ported iron/Alum heads, 520ish hydo cam, headers, intake and a decent carb will get you close to 500hp. You won't need a ton of stall because you won't have to spin the pee out of it to get it rolling or tall gears. Can that be done to a 360 and make 500hp...NO So if you are looking for 500hp and you have A. a 440 or B a 360 sitting on your shop floor which are you going to use? You seem to be Mr. Smallblock so tell me what it takes to make 500hp in one.
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: fishy340]
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07/19/11 01:58 PM
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HEMI472
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you have no clue what ur talkin about,a good set of j or x heads,a machine shop that knows what its doin and 4" cast crank stroker kit..and u are the one with meth injection on ur BB BEAST? MY little sb pump gas will beat ur meth injected slug by 1/2 the track..THATS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT SB'S...all u say is alot more work!!! but u cant elaborate..u need more work to a stock 440 block cause there boat anchors weight wise
what does any of your posts have to do with what the guy asked??? this is about the 3rd or 4th post where you get on a post to pound on your own chest bragging up your small block. how fast and cheep it is SO WHAT you have a fast small block wohoo
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