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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 02:05 PM
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good grief, a 439" SDSS bullet is hardly what the OP is talking about  If the 440 and 360 both make 500hp the 360 is going to do it at a higher rpm. That higher peak tq might require a deeper gear than the 440, might not. But the increased rpm range of the 360 is also going to allow it to stay in lower trans gears longer if the same rear gears are used, making better use of the available torque multiplication. This concept in reverse is why many people find that stockish 440's don't really run any quicker with 4.10's than they did with 3.23's.
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: HEMI472]
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07/19/11 02:05 PM
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you have no clue what ur talkin about,a good set of j or x heads,a machine shop that knows what its doin and 4" cast crank stroker kit..and u are the one with meth injection on ur BB BEAST? MY little sb pump gas will beat ur meth injected slug by 1/2 the track..THATS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT SB'S...all u say is alot more work!!! but u cant elaborate..u need more work to a stock 440 block cause there boat anchors weight wise 
what does any of your posts have to do with what the guy asked??? this is about the 3rd or 4th post where you get on a post to pound on your own chest bragging up your small block. how fast and cheep it is SO WHAT you have a fast small block wohoo 
u can have a lane next to me also hemi472..lol 
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: fishy340]
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07/19/11 02:22 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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you have no clue what ur talkin about,a good set of j or x heads,a machine shop that knows what its doin and 4" cast crank stroker kit..and u are the one with meth injection on ur BB BEAST? MY little sb pump gas will beat ur meth injected slug by 1/2 the track..THATS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT SB'S...all u say is alot more work!!! but u cant elaborate..u need more work to a stock 440 block cause there boat anchors weight wise
yeah stroker crank, machine work and what size cam? SB are fine but cost more to build per HP. I had a great running 340. Ported J heads, 1.6 roller rockers small 455 cam TTi headers, RPM intake 750 holley thing ran great, however same components in a 440 would have generated much much more power and probably been a second faster. I run meth so I can run pump gas. All it does is make the 93 "act" like 114. You call a 440 block a boat anchors...what's the 360? You don't need diddly to make a 9:1 440 run low 12's in a B-body or low 11's in an A-body. You can do it with stock iron heads and a smaller hydro cam. I can't imagine what you'd need to run low 12's in a b-body w/ a 340. I'm starting w/ a one hundred cubic head start.
What have you done to your SB? How much $$$ do you have in it? did you put it togther in your garage? what stall..gear? what that car weigh? what are you shifting at? Do you drive it to and from the track? apples to oranges. Should I go buy an a-body, step up my converter and gear toss on a single dominator and meet you?
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: HEMI472]
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07/19/11 02:25 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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you have no clue what ur talkin about,a good set of j or x heads,a machine shop that knows what its doin and 4" cast crank stroker kit..and u are the one with meth injection on ur BB BEAST? MY little sb pump gas will beat ur meth injected slug by 1/2 the track..THATS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT SB'S...all u say is alot more work!!! but u cant elaborate..u need more work to a stock 440 block cause there boat anchors weight wise
what does any of your posts have to do with what the guy asked??? this is about the 3rd or 4th post where you get on a post to pound on your own chest bragging up your small block. how fast and cheep it is SO WHAT you have a fast small block wohoo
his small block is anything but cheap or small...he has 7 less cubic inches than I do and his car probaly weghs 1000lbs less. His car is super nice and runs like a MoFo, as I've stated anything can be made fast.
Fact is you're not going to make 500HP w/ a small block as easy or as cheap as a 440.
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 03:55 PM
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right this is why racing cars are grouped according to engine cid, weight. could you imagine the 1970 trams am cars with big heavy 440's 460's 454's in them trying to brake and turn, or in drag racing a 4,000 lbs charger with a stock 440 racing a stock 428scj 68 mustang, bottom line the 440 should win if the hp is the same, due to more torque but then again if both were in a 3,400 lbs duster i would think the lighter 360 with the lighter and less hp eating 904 would make for a close race, oh and i forgot the hi torque of the 440 might kill the 8 3/4 so it might need a heavy dana where the 360 will not kill the 8 3/4.
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 05:23 PM
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Imo if everything was built ideally for either motor and weight being the same, a big block would out run a small block all day. Simply because it has more torque.
Also to add, if I had a w9 motor with a roller that was 13.1 and only made 650, Id burn that turd to the ground 
I'm glad you arent around my turd
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 05:35 PM
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Imo if everything was built ideally for either motor and weight being the same, a big block would out run a small block all day. Simply because it has more torque.
Also to add, if I had a w9 motor with a roller that was 13.1 and only made 650, Id burn that turd to the ground
I'm glad you arent around my turd
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 05:36 PM
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Imo if everything was built ideally for either motor and weight being the same, a big block would out run a small block all day. Simply because it has more torque.
Also to add, if I had a w9 motor with a roller that was 13.1 and only made 650, Id burn that turd to the ground
They werent W9 heads but W2's.
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 05:37 PM
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Ive seen 7600 out of a stock stroke 360 with mildy ported iron heads and a .484MP cam. Bash away. 
I dont think my 440 will go that high (okay okay, I know it wont)
haha, Ive had stock big blocks higher Chris! BUT, your not making any power revving it that high...
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Re: big block VS small block
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07/19/11 05:42 PM
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Imo if everything was built ideally for either motor and weight being the same, a big block would out run a small block all day. Simply because it has more torque.
Also to add, if I had a w9 motor with a roller that was 13.1 and only made 650, Id burn that turd to the ground
I'm glad you arent around my turd
I'd be willing to run you heads up with my turd
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: BB70DUSTER]
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07/19/11 05:46 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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Ive seen 7600 out of a stock stroke 360 with mildy ported iron heads and a .484MP cam. Bash away.
I dont think my 440 will go that high (okay okay, I know it wont)
haha, Ive had stock big blocks higher Chris! BUT, your not making any power revving it that high...
that's just it no need to spin a BB that high.
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/19/11 05:52 PM
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Ive seen 7600 out of a stock stroke 360 with mildy ported iron heads and a .484MP cam. Bash away.
I dont think my 440 will go that high (okay okay, I know it wont)
haha, Ive had stock big blocks higher Chris! BUT, your not making any power revving it that high...
that's just it no need to spin a BB that high.
Your wrong... any engine can be made to run 10K rpm
and make power....maybe your talking stock.... I
was building a 514CI BB that would make power at 9K+
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Re: big block VS small block
[Re: redruM]
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07/19/11 05:53 PM
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Imo if everything was built ideally for either motor and weight being the same, a big block would out run a small block all day. Simply because it has more torque.
I disagree! Say the big block has 3.91 gears ideally because its gonna peak at 5600.
The 360 is gonna need say 4.88s ideally because it will peak about 6500. The 440 is gonna have a 3800 stall vs the 360s 4800. I think the torque will be equalized at the rear tires. And at this point what role does the rotating mass inside the engine play. Not to mention 100 less pounds of engine.
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