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SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? #1032476
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Are the crank pulley bolts supposed to be painted or natural. If painted, what color...Engine color or black?

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Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: jrwoodjoe] #1032477
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I believe those have been black on all the smallblocks I have seen. I'd bet they are black oxide or phosphate(?) coated rather than painted with black paint.

Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: jrwoodjoe] #1032478
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Crank pulley bolts are S2, phosphated and oiled (gray - black). See amkproducts.com, page 4 of their catalog for Finish Codes, bottom of page. Also see page 101, item B-11605 at bottom center of page, "Chrysler Crankshaft Pulley". This is actually a "hex machine screw" with captive conical washer, not a "hex bolt". Bolts are flush on top without captive washers, and machine screws are indented on top.

Phosphating or Parkerizing is the gun black coating on most military weapons and lots of tools and parts since before WWI.

You can paint bolts with a gun black color and bake in an oven, but they won't be correct or original looking.

Or you can degrease with dish soap and tooth brush, pickle in vinegar for a few half days (check rust removal progress every 8 - 12 hours). Physical rust removal with light scraping and wire brushing is better than depending on just chemical removal. Do a final soapy wash with a toothbrush and a rifle barrel brush on female threads, thoroughly wire brush by hand, and set aside. When ready to phosphate with gun hobbyist's solution available on the www, do one more pickle and wire brushing, spray with oven cleaner, rinse in hot water, then follow the solution directions using a stainless pot on a camp stove outdoors. To prevent the 200 deg or so solution from boiling, use a double broiler method, a pan of water under the stainless pot.

Go to http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/black.htm for a room temperature solution. Maybe this is better than the hot method. I intend to try this soon.

It's important for the parts to be absolutely clean before Parkerizing; i.e., any kind of rust removal product that leaves a residue probably will inhibit the phosphating process. Bead blasting or sand blasting may damage the finish. Vinegar pickle, wire brushing, oven cleaner, and hot water rinse leaves the fasteners squeaky clean for the phosphating process. See photo.

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Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: kentj340] #1032479
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Here's the photo

Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: kentj340] #1032480
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I really like the Caswell black oxide solution. It works great and the solution lasts a very long time. You can play with dip times to get the desired color. Buffing with a shop rag also changes the color.

I just bought some RPM from ECS to use on those fasteners. I had used Caswells penetrating sealer but a few fasteners started rusting in the high humidity. After the sealer was applied(and dry) I buffed the fasteners with a shop rag. That got them looking like they were phosphated but removed too much of the sealer.

The Caswell black oxide solution plus RPM should be a really nice "in home" option for bolt refinishing. IMO.

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Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: kentj340] #1032481
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Here's a photo of an unrestored transmission to bell housing bolt on the left with the original fastener maker's phosphated finish. The identical but rust pitted bolt on the right is from a rear bumper bar to body fastener that has been pickled and wire brushed, ready for phosphating. Hopefully the black finish will help hide the pits...

Anyhow the pitted bolt is original, and it will have the original finish put back on.

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Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: burdar] #1032482
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Thanks guys, that's what I was needing to know.



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Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: burdar] #1032483
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Quote:

I really like the Caswell black oxide solution. It works great and the solution lasts a very long time. You can play with dip times to get the desired color. Buffing with a shop rag also changes the color.

I just bought some RPM from ECS to use on those fasteners. I had used Caswells penetrating sealer but a few fasteners started rusting in the high humidity. After the sealer was applied(and dry) I buffed the fasteners with a shop rag. That got them looking like they were phosphated but removed too much of the sealer.

The Caswell black oxide solution plus RPM should be a really nice "in home" option for bolt refinishing. IMO.




Waxing phosphated fasteners is also recommended. I'm putting wax on just about everything that gets reassembled.

Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: jrwoodjoe] #1032484
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Six bolts holding the pulley - black phosphate

Larger center bolt and washer - engine color

Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: gtx6970] #1032485
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Waxing phosphated fasteners is also recommended. I'm putting wax on just about everything that gets reassembled.





The ECS "RPM" product will serve you well, MUCH better than just wax

Re: SB Crank Pulley Bolts Painted or natural? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1032486
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The ECS "RPM" product will serve you well, MUCH better than just wax




Thanks, Scott! Looks like I'd better get some. Preserving a restoration is pretty darned important...







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