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adjusted the timing...need some opinions please #1032378
07/14/11 10:30 AM
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tell me if this makes sense guys...

all done with my 340 intake/4bbl swap onto my 318 which had a 2bbl and stock 318 intake. BONE STOCK 73 road runner.

the car started up and idled fine, however, after it got hot, i noticed the RPMs gradually got higher and when i shut it off, i would get the puff sound like it backfired and smoke would come out of the air cleaner. it was also hard to start when hot. a friend of mine suggested i mess with the timing, so i did.

i found that i had to retard it just a hair from stock setting for it to run almost perfect. i would have thought i would have had to advance it going to a bigger intake and carb, but hey i'm a noob, so what do i know.

does that sound right to you guys?

thanks

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Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: bigdaddywiz] #1032379
07/14/11 11:15 AM
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Sounds like a vacuum leak.

Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: RemCharger] #1032380
07/14/11 11:42 AM
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Quote:

Sounds like a vacuum leak.




yeah get it running and hot, then spray around the carb base, and intake and see if you have a leak. I prefer to use brake clean or hot start. Less messy than carb cleaner.

Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1032381
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thanks for the responses guys...

i did get it to work after screwing around with the timing however. it was nice and hot and idling fine. no upswing like before. i also noticed it started much quicker and easier after changing the timing. would that still be symptoms of a vacuum leak?

my post was mainly to see if you normally have to advance or retard the timing when installing bigger intakes and carbs.

thanks!

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Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: bigdaddywiz] #1032382
07/14/11 02:25 PM
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That shouldn't matter as much as the cam change. If it runs good at 32* leave it.

Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1032383
07/14/11 05:41 PM
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it is advanced more with the small 2-v carb

if it want less take some out..which you did..let it ride

get a vac gauge and put it on the full vac port on carb

advance it to get the highest vac reading... back it down one full #...if it 18,back it down to 17 on the vac gauge

adjust curb idle to 800-850 rpm,then adjust the air mixture screws on the carb to get highest vac reading on the gauge and adjust curb idle to were you want it set at

use a timeing light and see where the adjustment is at,keep it for referance later.

run it on a wot blast..you want no ping or just a slight ping on a hard wot blast

I do mine this way and get them down to 600-650 rpm and will take a full throttle stomp with out any bog,pop,miss,sputter.(I do have the LD4B/600 carb,VooDoo roller cam,headers,duels,3.55 gears to work with it also)

the thing to do with a stock 318 thats just got a 4-v swap is add duels and fine tune the carb and timeing

find what it likes and run it..cant go by stock book setting once it gets mod-o-fried

to me that is the fun of adding a 4-v to a 318..test & tune baby

Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1032384
07/14/11 07:08 PM
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I'm assuming stock untouched '73 dist? What Scratchn said. set the initial w vac gauge method then shorten the slots to get 35 toatal (vac adv disconnected/plugged)then toss the heavy thick spring w the long loop & sub in a thinner one like maybe a mr gasket or one of the MP light springs & play w spring combo, LASTLY rehook/adj vac adv. Lot of gain 2 b had reworking a stock curve.


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Re: adjusted the timing...need some opinions please [Re: RapidRobert] #1032385
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with a stock SB,that is the reason I like the older points dist,it has a slightly better advance curve in it over the smog elect ones for hot rodding in stock fourm.








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