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Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/13/11 08:30 PM
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I am less than two tenths from being told that I need a roll bar. Had not ever considered having to put a bar in the Duster. Always saw it as a street car that raced in the summer. The mega-hot wife already thinks it's too noisy (40 series with 3 inch exhaust). Will I be able to keep the fold down seat in the Duster or will that have to go? Has anyone found a roll bar that will sweep over the back seat in a SpaceSaver Duster? 
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/13/11 09:24 PM
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I am less than two tenths from being told that I need a roll bar.
Had not ever considered having to put a bar in the Duster.
Always saw it as a street car that raced in the summer. The mega-hot wife already thinks it's too noisy (40 series with 3 inch exhaust).
Will I be able to keep the fold down seat in the Duster or will that have to go?
Has anyone found a roll bar that will sweep over the back seat in a SpaceSaver Duster?
No disrespect intended,,just some humor.....I would keep the fold down rear seat,,,also keep the 'mega hot wife'...   
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07/13/11 09:28 PM
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I am less than two tenths from being told that I need a roll bar.
Had not ever considered having to put a bar in the Duster.
Always saw it as a street car that raced in the summer. The mega-hot wife already thinks it's too noisy (40 series with 3 inch exhaust).
Will I be able to keep the fold down seat in the Duster or will that have to go?
Has anyone found a roll bar that will sweep over the back seat in a SpaceSaver Duster?
No disrespect intended,,just some humor.....I would keep the fold down rear seat,,,also keep the 'mega hot wife'...
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/13/11 09:36 PM
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I am less than two tenths from being told that I need a roll bar.
Had not ever considered having to put a bar in the Duster.
Always saw it as a street car that raced in the summer. The mega-hot wife already thinks it's too noisy (40 series with 3 inch exhaust).
Will I be able to keep the fold down seat in the Duster or will that have to go?
Has anyone found a roll bar that will sweep over the back seat in a SpaceSaver Duster?
No disrespect intended,,just some humor.....I would keep the fold down rear seat,,,also keep the 'mega hot wife'...
 and put dynomax super turbos on it. sound better/perform better and the mega hot wife wll be happier
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: GwaiiEagle]
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07/13/11 09:56 PM
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I am less than two tenths from being told that I need a roll bar.
Had not ever considered having to put a bar in the Duster.
Always saw it as a street car that raced in the summer. The mega-hot wife already thinks it's too noisy (40 series with 3 inch exhaust).
Will I be able to keep the fold down seat in the Duster or will that have to go?
Has anyone found a roll bar that will sweep over the back seat in a SpaceSaver Duster?
If you take your car to a competent shop with a bender they should be able to custom bend a cage that will meet all your requirements
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/14/11 07:18 AM
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You know the interesting thing is that there are about a dozen or so cars these days that a person can buy that will go faster than 11.50 directly from the showroom. Now, they almost all have six figure price tags but nonetheless they can be bought, licensed, inspected and driven on public roads without problem. But can’t be run at a drag strip!
Another example, I was at Maple Grove for the Mopar race this year and my helmet was unusable because the date had expired. However, I used the same exact helmet the very next week to road race my sport bike at a track that I hit speeds equal to my car. And the road course had turns in it with many more riders (three riders went down that day, too)!!! Had no problem passing their tech with said helmet… My brother was also at Maple Grove and he had to remove, THAT’S REMOVE his extinguisher because it was restrained without using a metal strap!
Long story short (sorry), I have a 10 second car that I won’t cut up to put a roll cage into and IHRA/NHRA safety rules are mostly either moronic or a money grab!
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: GwaiiEagle]
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07/14/11 11:06 AM
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When I started racing my 300 a few years back, I decided to incorporate this "dilemma" in to my over all plan. I started with a very complete and relatively rare car and wanted to make sure I could return it to it's factory stock condition when I was done racing it so - - - no roll bar ( I wasn't about to cut up my real "Correnthion leather" interior ), use the original ( or same as what the car came with ) engine, trans, diff. This made the project fun, a little more challenging, and capped off the $ thing in to something very affordable. I am also very close to my goal, so I have some decisions to make shortly also - continue to race it like it is or find something else that is more easily cut-up-able - so to speak. Good luck on your decision.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/14/11 11:10 AM
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You know the interesting thing is that there are about a dozen or so cars these days that a person can buy that will go faster than 11.50 directly from the showroom. Now, they almost all have six figure price tags but nonetheless they can be bought, licensed, inspected and driven on public roads without problem. But can’t be run at a drag strip!
Another example, I was at Maple Grove for the Mopar race this year and my helmet was unusable because the date had expired. However, I used the same exact helmet the very next week to road race my sport bike at a track that I hit speeds equal to my car. And the road course had turns in it with many more riders (three riders went down that day, too)!!! Had no problem passing their tech with said helmet… My brother was also at Maple Grove and he had to remove, THAT’S REMOVE his extinguisher because it was restrained without using a metal strap!
Long story short (sorry), I have a 10 second car that I won’t cut up to put a roll cage into and IHRA/NHRA safety rules are mostly either moronic or a money grab!
Safety rules are moronic or a money grab?
OK don't race at any sanctioned track and take your chances.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: BobR]
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07/14/11 12:50 PM
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Safety rules are not "moronic" IMO. - especially the roll bar rule - and especially if you are talking about an A body car.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: Crizila]
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07/14/11 01:16 PM
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My opinion is just that,...an opinion.
If you and your passengers put on 5 point harnesses And helmets everytime you go out for a cruise on the streets, then you'll be fine.
Otherwise, leave the rollbar for the track only cars.
I sure would hate to get hit on the streets with bars, even padded, inches from my head and ribs, if I'm going to move from having just a lap belt or 3 point belt on...and not have a helmet to protect my brain from said bars.
Roll bars do their job great, when the driver and passengers don't Move from the seat very much...and have helmets on.
Just watch any crash test footage. In a pass car (even new ones) the occupants move around a bunch from side impacts, rear and front impacts. Crash footage from a race car, show the driver (only on in the car usually) barely move to get close to any bars!
Just my opinion.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: GwaiiEagle]
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07/14/11 01:41 PM
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Put the bars in, as some have suggested,AFTER you add frame connectors. (if they aren't already in) Even in a street car, especially a lite, high hp vehicle, they are a big plus for safety & and looking at it another way, what you're essentially doing is making "crumble zones" in the car, so once again it helps on the street......
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: Crizila]
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07/14/11 01:43 PM
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Safety rules are not "moronic" IMO. - especially the roll bar rule - and especially if you are talking about an A body car.
Safety rules are written in someone else's blood and lawsuits. Soccer doesn't have any rollbar requirements. Maybe those who feel put out by rules out to be heading goals.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: bwdst6]
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07/14/11 03:46 PM
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I think what the OP is really struggling with is having to make modifications that will impact the originality of his ride, not weather the rules are good or bad, or weather roll bars are good or bad. It's a difficult decision that many here have to confront at one point in time. You have to look down the road a ways to come up with the correct answer for your particular situation / car. Another one of those - gotta have a plan going in.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/14/11 06:45 PM
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I think what the OP is really struggling with is having to make modifications that will impact the originality of his ride, not weather the rules are good or bad, or weather roll bars are good or bad. It's a difficult decision that many here have to confront at one point in time.
My journey to the drags includes a 250$, 8 hour ferry trip, and a 100 mile drive.
How far I go speedwise will be tempered by the need to make that return trip reliably.
The low deck stroker upgrade fom the echo chamber compression of the 'ol 383 left me unprepared for the tech realities of speed.
Now I know why people strap foam rolls to their roll bars.
Thinking about a rear seat from a Ramcharger; those are pretty narrow if I remember.
Thanx for your own stories about this tech change over.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: GwaiiEagle]
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07/14/11 10:55 PM
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IMO unless you race a lot or have a desire to run much faster, I would avoid the rollbar and just run as close to that 11.50 number as possible.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/14/11 11:21 PM
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I know that the 11.50 ET is the cut off for the roll bar , but when you look at most accidents at the track , most cars are going less that the 115 MPH that you will be going with that 11.50 ET. But depending on the accident type whether that roll bar will save your butt or not. Bounce of the rail, not needed, roll it over off the rail, you will wish you had a cage. I seen a guy lose it at the 1/8 mile at a little over 100MPH and roll his car, This was a race car, not street, there was nothing recognizable on the car. Lucky he had a cage. I know i'm not racing mine again until It gets caged.  
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
[Re: dannysbee]
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07/17/11 07:45 PM
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The wife sound intelligent also. Too bad you are ashamed of her and won't show a picture. 
I mentioned the thread, and what I had said about her and she was a little pissed. Not because she isn't, because she is a private person.
Sorry man,
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/18/11 01:02 AM
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It is up to you, but I would not do it... 11.50 is fast enough for a Street car, and fast enough to win in pro class against 9 second cars if you leave well and are consistent. The problem is this: We started out going 12.00's in a 67 cuda with a mild 340 and when it dipped into the 11.90's, (years ago) we were told it had to have a bar. So in goes the bar and the extra weight slows it down to 12.10's where no bar is needed... Then we get the brainwave to add a ntirous kit and soon the car is a low 11.00 ride. If more is better, then too much is just right so up the jets and it is a 10.80 car until the timing retard on the digital 6 fails and melts a couple pistons, spins bearings... OK, on to a 471 stroker 400 motor with 906 heads running 10,50's and this is not enough so let's put on some 440-1 Indy Alum heads to get closer to 10.00's. The indy heads work great, but now it is running 9.80's and we are in trouble unless we turn the bar into a cage and get an NHRA competition liscense. All good, lets upgrade the heads to CNC ported version where a 9.50 is the result until we grenade the stock block... Now a Kieth Black Alum block 557 bullet with 955HP (corrected) and the car goes 8.89 at 151 but the chassis can barely handle the power. Time to back half it???  Seriously, if it is a street car keep it at 11.50 and enjoy it. If you want to go faster, look on Racing junk and buy someones complete tube chassis A-Body and go fast. My  Good luck, Arnie
67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...)
70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: Roll Bars. How did you feel about it?
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07/18/11 01:23 PM
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OK, on to a 471 stroker 400 motor with 906 heads running 10,50's and this is not enough
That to me was the scary part.
I've decided because I drive so far to the track a roll bar is cheap insurance.
The biggest hazard where I live are the deer, and the Duster is getting so rusty I'd likely steer for them and Rockford my rear quarter in to one.
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