Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: ProStreetFm3]
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08/12/08 11:00 PM
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The prospect of being held hostage 500 miles from home, by some cowboy with a gun and a badge who's trying to make his quota at my expense, makes me think about how bad I want to do this. If the rules could be understood by someone without a law degree or if you could get a straight answer to a question, maybe it wouldn't be so bad. The whole program is about relieving you of your hard earned cash. I'm not trying to run a trucking company, I just want to go to the race track once in awhile. I'd like to go the truck/LQ trailer route but it seems that we are being forced into the motorhome/small tag option.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: ProStreetFm3]
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08/12/08 11:26 PM
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Thanks but I still have my Headache
Have you considered selling the car and taking up knitting?
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: SLEDGEHAMMER]
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08/12/08 11:29 PM
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Make sure your tires on the trailer and truck are rated for the load you are carrying.
This would apply to any of you guys that have regular car tires, or put LT rated truck tires on your trailers.
LT truck tires are not legal on trailers in PA, only ST rated tires. Be ready to pay the fine if thats what you run and you cross our borders.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: ProStreetFm3]
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08/12/08 11:33 PM
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This thread gives me a headache. So if I walk into a Dodge dealer and they sell me a truck that will tow 16,500lbs shouldn't I need a Cdl to drive it off the lot?
Do you have a trailer connected to it when you leave? If not, no. If so, maybe.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Prostock]
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08/13/08 06:48 AM
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Thanks but I still have my Headache
Have you considered selling the car and taking up knitting?
Yes
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: ProStreetFm3]
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08/13/08 08:36 AM
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Thanks but I still have my Headache
Have you considered selling the car and taking up knitting?
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Me too! lol
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Prostock]
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08/13/08 09:11 AM
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From the VA DMV web site. http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/pdf/dmv109.pdfOperators of vehicles having a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more are required to hold a valid CDL. Operators of vehicles designed to carry 16 or more persons including the driver, and operators of vehicles hauling hazardous materials which are required by federal law to be placarded must also hold a valid CDL. The following situations exempt operators of certain vehicles from the CDL requirements. 1. Operation of a vehicle for personal use only, such as a recreational vehicle or truck to move your personal belongings. 2. Operation of a fire truck or other emerency vehicle. 3. Operation of a farm vehicle that meets all of the following conditions: a. Controlled and operated by a farmer. b. Used to transport agricultural products, farm machinery or farm supplies to and from a farm. c. Strictly for farm use and not used in the operation of a common contract carrier. d. Used within 150 miles of the vehicle owner’s farm. 4. Operation of a vehicle for military purposes while the operator is on active duty carrier.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: FastmOp]
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08/13/08 12:37 PM
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I just put new plates on my dually and they gave me car plates. the plate I had before was 14000#'s. when I asked them whats the deal they said if I'm a just a hobby guy then I'll have no problems and that other states must allow me to pass throuogh without issues, somthing about the interstate commerce act. So I have a 3000# plate on a Cummins Dually with a 24' enclosed
Your in deep DooDoo,What they say is meaningless.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: B G Racing]
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08/13/08 02:41 PM
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I just put new plates on my dually and they gave me car plates. the plate I had before was 14000#'s. when I asked them whats the deal they said if I'm a just a hobby guy then I'll have no problems and that other states must allow me to pass throuogh without issues, somthing about the interstate commerce act. So I have a 3000# plate on a Cummins Dually with a 24' enclosed
Your in deep DooDoo,What they say is meaningless.
Why wouldn't it apply, lol...
Title: Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 Author: U.S. Government Year Published: 1887
The Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 Be it enacted..., That the provisions of this act shall apply to any common carrier or carriers engaged in the transportation of passengers or property wholly by railroad, or partly by railroad and partly by water when both are used, under a common control, management, or arrangement, for a continuous carriage or shipment, from one State or Territory of the United States, or the District of Columbia, or from any place in the United States through a foreign country to any other place in the United States, and also to the transportation in like manner of property shipped from any place in the United States to a foreign country and carried from such place to a port of transshipment, or shipped from a foreign country to any other place in the United States, and also to the transportation in like manner of property shipped from any place in the United States to a foreign country and carried from such place to a port of entry either in the United States or an adjacent foreign country: Provided, however, That the provisions of this act shall not apply to the transportation of passengers or property, or to the receiving, delivering, storage, or handling of property, wholly within one State, and not shipped to or from a foreign country from or to any State or Territory as aforesaid.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: B G Racing]
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08/13/08 04:04 PM
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Bob-I was fortunate enough to have attended a class conducted by the Pa.State Police this past Feburary at one of our dealerships pertaining to trailering for landscapers and those hauling construction equipment. First they state that their personnel know most of the laws however the ones that we must be concerned are those like the city police, the township police and the sheriffs dept., for they only know part of the laws. The important thing is that they may stop you and write you up and be wrong, however it is up to you to hire an attorney to get yourself out of the mess. Most of the trailering laws that he spoke of were, effective January of this year you must now go into the scales if you are a combo of 10,001 lbs, previously it was 26,000 and most of us were not effected. By passing the scales is a $3,000.00 fine this was Federally mandated that they do this. I told him that they were opening up a can of worms and everyone with a trailer would be clogging up the scales. He told me this is exactly what they wanted because they wanted to see what was in all those trailers going up and down the highway, since 911. They also told me that they have found that a lot of retirees were subsidizing their retirement by transporting drugs from Mexico,California,Florida and New York. I understood why they were pulling over landscapers trailers, but how about my race car trailer, his answer was, is their prise money at the race, and I answered yes, then he said it is considered commercial, the same as prises at a horse show. Another thing he talked about was securing fuel cans, a bungy cord is not good enough, they must be secure, and anything in that trailer must be secured. If you run your pick up truck down the highway with the tail gate down and a chain or a block of wood is laying in the bed not secured, it is a $500.00 fine. He told us if your vehicle was over 10,000 gvw you must take it to an inspection station and get it inspected which must be displayed on both the truck and the trailer so that the weight master can see it and either wave you through or pull you around back. You must also have a fire extinguisher in both the truck and the trailer,and triangles or safety markers of some sort. Your mirrows must also be wide enough to see behind you and all of your lights must be working. I keep a log book although unless you are over 26,000 lbs it is not necessary but some sort of a report should be kept. You must also have the medical card and a valid drivers license. My way around a lot of this is travel on the turnpikes when possible since they do not have scales. I have tried to tell the Hemi guys at the CC Events but they seemed to think that I was crazy, so Bob, I am glad you have brought this to everyones attention, sorry about the fine.
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: BJS racing]
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08/13/08 04:04 PM
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lloks like the problem just keeps getting bigger. This is on Competition Plus. They are trying to get a whole buch of people to go to Richard Childress Racing on the 26th for a big meeting on this subject.
"Steve Earwood, Chairman of the Board of The North Carolina Motorsports Association, has sent word that an EDUCATIONAL SEMINAR will be held at Richard Childress Racing, 425 Industrial Drive, Welcome, NC, from 10:00 a.m. until 1:00 p.m. on Tuesday, August 26, 2008. Attendees can park at the Childress Museum and walk a short distance to the race shop. The museum is the first building on the left when you turn onto Industrial Drive and cross the railroad tracks. Park there and walk to the race shop just down the street on the left.
Information about the seminar:
North Carolina Laws and Federal Regulations regarding registration/tags/driver credentials/size and weight/road use of vehicles used in the operation of a race team or individual racers.
There is no charge for the seminar and the information is imperative. Everyone should tell their friends and fellow racers.
The Seminar is being sponsored by the NCMA at no charge. Rep. Karen Ray is coordinating the seminar for the NCMA. There will be time given to questions and answers following the informational part of the seminar.
Under the auspices of Rep. Ray, Earwood and the NCMA are working on this issue with the State Highway Patrol, the Governor's office, the Secretary of Crime Control and Public Safety, DOT Secretary, Federal Motor Carriers, DMV, and the Legislative Staff. We are all working together diligently to address the concerns that are circulating and work toward resolutions. This seminar is one of the parts of the resolution and will provide extremely valuable information for those affected.
Earwood emphasizes that this is not a protest session; however, we do need a large turnout of those who are affected to voice our concerns and to hear alternatives to these very important issues."
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Re: Warning for racing rigs in Pa.
[Re: Hemi Joe 4911]
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08/13/08 05:42 PM
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but how about my race car trailer, his answer was, is their prise money at the race, and I answered yes, then he said it is considered commercial, the same as prises at a horse show.
You must also have a fire extinguisher in both the truck and the trailer,and triangles or safety markers of some sort.
You must also have the medical card and a valid drivers license.
So if I read this right, my 2500 Ram, with my 2000# open trailer, and a Barracuda weighing in at less than 3000# would require me to have a CDL and all the good stuff that goes with it. This is also my daily commuter vehicle, so I will have to pay through the nose to get the proper insurance and licenses to cover me.
1) Looks like they are trying to kill racing. 2) Fire extinguisher on my open trailer. Wonder how many times that one will get stolen. 3) Medical Card. Good one. How about my VA Medical Card. Proves I bled for my country. But would probably piss off the revenue enhancement officer looking to make his quota.
Looks like PA is off my list forever, along with all other states that want to bleed us dry. Surely SEMA needs to be involved. This has the ability to kill off motor sports as well as the car show circuits.
-Dave
PLEASE Pray for our brothers and sisters in harms way. If you are the owner of a GTS us at the GTS Registry www.gtsregistry.com
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