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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Add 1972 Heater Core
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I have actually seen factory original 1971 Charger RTs / Bees / with the Concealed Headlamp Option AO9 have both 71 and 72 Covers/Grilles mismatched on the same car
Build Date/Factory/Part Inventory would apply the same i would think for the Louvered Tail light debate
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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 Those are the lenses behind the louvered bezels on the blue Charger you posted.
but incorrect to that setup BTW if you want factory look ( black louvereds on SBs were just on painted bumpers Superbees )
and base models, Bees and SEs, tailigths all with chromed bumpers were these
thats why you see only 4 red lenses on the setup on ebay, stated as superbee lenses, its the common setup
Actually they shouldn't be black either. Not in '71 at least. '72 Rallyes had black louvered taillights. The '71 R/T, 500 had 3-tone louvered bezels regardless of bumper option. The Super Bee only got the louvered taillights with the colored bumper package. See this discussion - https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=
Domingo said his buddies Bee had the colored bumpers.
The link you posted should say it all. I just finished repainting my bezels (pics in that thread). I've never found any documentation for black bezels on colored bumper cars in '71 - including the parts book (only one set of numbers listed). I did find many original/survivor pics of tri-color bezels on colored bumper cars...
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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but, same shades of grays ? I can see a darker one on colored bumpers 
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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but, same shades of grays ?
I can see a darker one on colored bumpers
Show us the car you're talking about, and not those renderings above which prove nothing.
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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 This is a topic that has me puzzled... When I bought my R/T, it had black bezels on the tail lights. I can't say they're original because I know there were at least three previous owners before I got the car and there's abundant evidence many engine/trans parts have been changed. What I can say is that I've looked closely for any evidence the tail light bezels were changed/repainted and I can find nothing to indicate they aren't original. I also pulled a set of tail lights off a wrecked 71 R/T about six months after I bought my R/T and they are also black. I don't recall what color the car was or much else about it other than it was totaled. I was going to repaint one of my sets of bezels in the tri-color scheme but I think the black ones look better... but if the tri-color would have been the correct original colors...  The 71 parts manual only lists one set of bezel part numbers: 3478862-3 The 72 parts manual only lists one set of bezel part numbers: 3587448-9 Is it possible one set of numbers is for the tri-colors and the other numbers are the black bezels?
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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The 71 parts manual only lists one set of bezel part numbers: 3478862-3
The 72 parts manual only lists one set of bezel part numbers: 3587448-9
Is it possible one set of numbers is for the tri-colors and the other numbers are the black bezels?
Since the shape/fit of the bezels is identical, I think that's exactly what the numbers show. I think it's also possible the '72 (black) bezels became the service replacement for both years.... just a thought since there are so many black ones out there.
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Bobby, I think you got it!  There's a 3478862 right-side bezel on feeBay and it's tri-color. feeBay 370106674382There's also a 3587449 left-side bezel listed and it's black. feeBay 330288114008So it would appear the tri-colors are correct for all 1971 applications with the possibility some black 72 bezels may have found their way onto late production 71's.
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Bobby, I think you got it!
There's a 3478862 right-side bezel on feeBay and it's tri-color.
feeBay 370106674382
There's also a 3587449 left-side bezel listed and it's black.
feeBay 330288114008
So it would appear the tri-colors are correct for all 1971 applications with the possibility some black 72 bezels may have found their way onto late production 71's.
How about this, black ones go on bumpers with jack slots and tri-tone ones go on bumpers without jack slots. That should settle it.
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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sorry, REALLY HARD TO DETAIL 'cause the bad cell phone pic... but cromed edge is there although faded out and AS FAR I KNOW bezels never have been refinished. pretty much similar to the first ad I posted
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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but, same shades of grays ?
I can see a darker one on colored bumpers
Show us the car you're talking about, and not those renderings above which prove nothing.
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http://71superbee.com/John_Bober/GB5/#pop01
when this thread floated on I run to the bees website and noticed this car as well than some others AND that car shows a darker gray scheeme
confusing... HUH ?
UNLESS is a light and angle optical effect. I sold 4 NOS R/T bezels whiiiile back and they looked to be lighter than the one posted on link ( same as the NOS on ebay )
a friend of mine locally has a 71 with black louvers ( or allmost black ) and as far I remember with CHROMED edge. Factory
If you look at the pictures of John's car, you'll see several that clearly show the tri-tone treatment including "before" pictures. Here is one that shows it best.
Is your friend's car a Venezuelen built Charger?
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Yes, is Venezuela assemblied what doesn't mean Made in all the word extension. Parts to assembly Venezuelan Chryslers were made in the USA, not locally.
just some parts were locally MADE, like interior vinyl parts, radiator, springs, wiring, but everything under USA specs with some exceptions, like shortback buckets instead highbacks for example and in some cases, fancy interior combos... a pic of same car interior:
( note the WEIRD gold/black interior combo. Easy to find here green/black and red/black too )
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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another interior view
( BUT TAIL LIGHTS ARE MADE IN USA, FOR SURE )
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Guys NOTE THIS BLACK LOUVERED TAIL LIGHTS... at minute 1... maybe an optical ilussion, but, really they looked to be chromed edges http://vimeo.com/22457028now, beside that... do you think this car actually got refinished the bezels by the owner ? Hard to say, but the rest of the car is looks to be totally untouched
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Re: Correct Tail Lenses for a 71 Super Bee
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Guys NOTE THIS BLACK LOUVERED TAIL LIGHTS... at minute 1... maybe an optical ilussion, but, really they looked to be chromed edges
Nacho - It's an illusion. Look at this capture from 2:07 of the same video...
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