Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: Andrewh]
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05/27/11 11:53 AM
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Hello, yes a 16g fusible link coming off the bat lug on the starter relay to one post on the ammeter. Running straight through the bulkhead. (drilled bulkhead with no connectors) There is a small wire maybe 16g coming off the positive battery post that goes to the same bat lug on the starter relay. And that only fried when I replaced the burned fusible link with a 12g wire to try to limp it home. It started burning the insulation and I disconnected it right away. When I hooked the positve battery cable back up after replacing the link it sparked like the 4th of july on the positive battery post. The weird thing is I tried to hook the battery back up after that and had no sparks and it ran fine without burning anything. So I limped it home and all was fine. So now it's going to be even harder to find.
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: 440forPOWER]
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05/27/11 01:26 PM
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Hello, the bypass on the ammeter was already done. All wires on one post. One black (from alt which is no longer there, one wire alt now) and three red. One is for the power windows. One goes back to the starter relay (the one that fried the fusible link) And not sure where the other one ends up,
So where does the balck wire from the ammeter go to now if you are usign a one wire alt?
Are you saying the power windows have full-time power directly from the battery (hooked to the back of the ammeter)?
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
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05/27/11 01:38 PM
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The black wire runs to a splice in the dash harness and gives power to the fuse box, clock, horn and a few other things. I'd have to get the service manual out to make sure. But I didn't have that hooked up at first thinking since the alt is gone why hook it up. Then I found out what it all powered.
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
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05/27/11 02:26 PM
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It was already done. I didn't do it after reading your post. I will try that. And see if it helps.
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: 440forPOWER]
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05/27/11 02:53 PM
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"Hello..." .....great way to respond to folks trying too help you. Good luck with that.
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: 440forPOWER]
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05/27/11 06:54 PM
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Tim Keep the (1) red main feed in from the FL and (2) the black lead both on the 1 ammeter lug & see if that elims the dead short & if so work on the other 2 to find it. I'm gonna go out on a limb & say the short is not in the black wire circuit to the T/alt tho it being part time does complicate it but a dead short of that magnitude should b easy to spot/trigger and as said check the back of the ammeter for anything obvious as the insulation may have been compromised during the bypass switchover. You wanna get together & attack it? I'm in west Lincoln, We cant b more than a few miles from each other. If so let me know. RR
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
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05/27/11 07:38 PM
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Thanks for the offer Robert. Really do appreciate it. But I keep the car in Columbus. Right now I disconnected the wires from the ammeter and will see what happens. I replaced the fusible link and the positive battery cable. (burned small wire) It pops right off and runs fine. Wires cold, 14.7 at the starter relay. 14.7 where the black and red wires are joined. But it was fine for an hour of cruising last night also. So I guess I'll drive it and see if the fusible link goes again or if it was the ammeter. I doubt it though since everything looked fine on the back of the ammeter. Thanks again for your help
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: 440forPOWER]
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05/27/11 09:27 PM
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W it like it was the odds are the dead short will kick in again & if it doesn't that would suspect the ammeter (the only recent change). I think I'd keep the 2 extra red wires unhooked & I'd check them out to try & pin down the dead short & see if one of them is it. Dead shorts are dangerous & a slow blowing FL will still let alot of damage take place b 4 it opens. Worst comes to worst you can jump from the batt or starter relay to the ECU and upstream side of ballast for it to run plus jump the starter relay batt to sol brown wire for it to start to limp it home and definitely unhook the FL to keep all the juice out of the prob area till you solve it
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
[Re: 440forPOWER]
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05/27/11 10:39 PM
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Correct, anything downstream from there is good, it's b 4 that
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Re: more electrical gremlins (e body, long)
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05/28/11 07:44 AM
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I think you took my hello the wrong way.
Really? You were just saying hello to people answering you? My bad, and hello!
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