thanks guys! the pics were great,just what we needed. this is why moparts is great,a lot of info,and helpful people responding fast. i know the mods get uncomfortable at all the off-mopar stuff being talked about,but this is why this site is so popular,and the other sites about guns,atvs,gm,ford,ect,ect ect...SUCK!=slow responses,and lack of caring,thanks again!