Originally Posted By jcc
Originally Posted By astjp2
when i do carbon stuff, they come out to about .007 per layer and i have parts doing 150 mph with only 3 layers so why not form a door bar and mold it in? i had one pair of small parts that doubled in weight just by painting them. I use west system epoxy and bag my parts to keep them light. Making a mold that is accurate is the hard part and takes the most time, I use matt cloth and vynal ester resin to save money on the mold. If you want to save money on the parts use a layer of s-glass sandwiched between the carbon layers. Tim


My overall view on the matter:
1. CF is trick looking and been the bling for awhile.
2. Is a great material, stiffer and more costly, and that's decreasing
3. The biggest hurdle is if one wants the CF finished "look", is getting your CF to lay straight, that is the toughest part
4. Un painted/unprotected resin/epoxy has UV downsides, I paint most of mine, you don't need to know its CF, unless you want to buy it grin
5. Anyone that has FG/resin skills can do CF, there is little magic here
6. I prefer epoxies, they are significant stronger then most resins, but slower cure, which has its upsides, but for production can be a downside.
7. Vacuum bagging is not not a must, its nice, better, lighter, but not a requirement, unless oz's or marketing are important.
8. I usually add at least one internal layer of kevlar on my larger panels


That has been some of my experience with CF as well. I prefer epoxy curing over night under a vacuum bag. It allows for a stronger piece IMO. Also, the Kevlar ply between the CF is good to reduce the brittleness of the laminate. We did this on the baja car so that the panel wouldn't break if they impacted a rock.

With regards to surface finish, our unpainted parts often trapped dirt between the voids. The later year baja cars that didn't wrap or paint their car had their CF panels turn green, which was funny. We made a CF racing seat for the car and decided to clear coat that to make it look better, but again, we had some clear coat bubbles we had to buff/sand out. You can always vinyl wrap it with the CF pattern. Lol.

I also have some experience with uni-directional pre-preg. I'd say both a wet lay-up and pre-preg have their pros and cons.