thanks Cass yes it is the black one and i didn't expect that moser made it though it is sold by them. i was figuring that it was a Yukon but now that you say there's two sources i guess it's isn't. yea this thing was pretty cruddy and rough when i received it sounds like i got the less desirable of the two, is the Yukon a better piece?. i spent a good bit of time scrubbing and deburring it before i even began to look at setting it up.