Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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I'm looking for a good thorough list of everywhere that gets seam sealer on an E body, along with whether it's applied before or after paint.
If it's applied after paint, what color should the seam sealer be?
Pics preferred, but descriptions will do.
I'll see what I can round up and post it here as well.
Thanks! Tav
Where---Anywhere metal is seamed or spot welded. What to use for applicator---in the trunk,interior floor and jam area use stiff bristle brushes if your looking for the spread look, I used an old style Wiss hand broom. Oh also drink about a case of beer before starting the seam sealer in the trunk and interior area, the factory was very sloppy. Many other people will chime in on this. Did you take photo's of your car before blasting or striping ?
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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definitely the seam sealer in the trunk was applied liberally before paint and was a grayish color, but I believe the seam sealer on the floor boards and around the 4 speed hump was put on after paint and was a black seam sealer. anlauto who is a member here had some nice pictures of his white cuda showing this.
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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Here are a few picture of my T/A....
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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Kinda the rule of thumb is ( but not always!!) if there is sealer in between the two panels and then welded together, the sealer was painted. If the sealer is just spread on top of a seam, then it's not painted. In the trunk, all the sealer is painted but there is a real HEAVY bead of sealer that goes all the way across the top, from wheel well to wheel well and it goes through the two openings where the shock plugs are.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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if there is sealer in between the two panels and then welded together, the sealer was painted.
Thanks Troy, that's a big help!
Anyone know where to get this weld through sealer?
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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I agree with Troy.
On a never disassembled 70 Challenger 383 I tore down I found that there was sealer on the trunk and it was painted over, on the passenger compartment sealer was black and applied after paint.
One thing though, Ive seen some E bodies where the sealer in between the firewall and the front floor pan was white and painted over, on others Ive seen it was black on top of the paint.
You also had white seam sealer along all the edge of the trunk lid where the outer skin overlaps over the inner brace. Painted over.
Also, you got white seam sealer on the quarter panel to deck filler panel seam. Painted over.
Also, on the trunk gutters. Painted Over.
Also, on the Challengers you got white seam sealer on the front portion of the fenders, whrere the fender skin meets the front fender bracket where the regulators go. Painted over as well.
You got some kind of foamy white sealer in between the inner fenders and front fenders when assembled. It kinda oozed out after being bolted on. This was done AFTER PAINT. Seems body was painted and then fenders were painted off the car and then blted on. That same kind of sealer can be found oosing in between the cowl and firewall, seems they put a bead of sealer there b4 spot welding the cowl. Of course this sealer got painted over.
There is also sealer atop the drip rails to keep water from seeping in between the roof skin and drip rails. Painted over of course.
Im not sure, but I think you also got sealer where the outer dor skin overlaps over the doors inner brace. Painted over too.
There were also some putty plugs (like play dough) that were used to plug some holes on the rear quarter panel inner brace. This is where the rear window regulators mount.
There was also a string covered with white sealer used to glue the inner door and inner quarter plastic dust shields that cover all the window regulator access holes.
Also, there is seam sealer (white) painted over on the quarter panel to door jamb seal and where the door jamb meets the rocker panel. Same deal on the rocker panel to A pillar seams.
Also, there is white sealer on the A pillar post seams (all the area where the door hinges are located).
I have this car stashed away and partly dissassembled, but when I get around to restoring it I will take a lot of pics and document all this. This will be my reference car for my other restos.
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Re: Where & When to seam seal an E body?
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I agree with Troy.
On a never disassembled 70 Challenger 383 I tore down I found that there was sealer on the trunk and it was painted over, on the passenger compartment sealer was black and applied after paint. The black sealer was applied before paint, however the petroleum/tar base bled through the color; this is why you'll see some color over the black that appears fogged or oversprayed looking. See picture below of a floor with the black sealer removed. There's a story about a Chrysler exec who's wife got tar stains on some items that were in the trunk of an earlier car. After this incident procedure changed to not use it in the trunk compartment. (So the story goes...)
One thing though, Ive seen some E bodies where the sealer in between the firewall and the front floor pan was white and painted over, on others Ive seen it was black on top of the paint.
You also had white seam sealer along all the edge of the trunk lid where the outer skin overlaps over the inner brace. Painted over.
Also, you got white seam sealer on the quarter panel to deck filler panel seam. Painted over.
Also, on the trunk gutters. Painted Over.
Also, on the Challengers you got white seam sealer on the front portion of the fenders, whrere the fender skin meets the front fender bracket where the regulators go. Painted over as well.
You got some kind of foamy white sealer in between the inner fenders and front fenders when assembled. It kinda oozed out after being bolted on. This was done AFTER PAINT. Seems body was painted and then fenders were painted off the car and then blted on. Not true... I think you're seeing that appearance because the foamy sealer dries out and the paint over it flakes away. Picture below shows fender sealer with paint over it and some areas of it shadowed by the hinge. That same kind of sealer can be found oosing in between the cowl and firewall, seems they put a bead of sealer there b4 spot welding the cowl. Of course this sealer got painted over.
There is also sealer atop the drip rails to keep water from seeping in between the roof skin and drip rails. Painted over of course.
Im not sure, but I think you also got sealer where the outer dor skin overlaps over the doors inner brace. Painted over too.
There were also some putty plugs (like play dough) that were used to plug some holes on the rear quarter panel inner brace. This is where the rear window regulators mount.
There was also a string covered with white sealer used to glue the inner door and inner quarter plastic dust shields that cover all the window regulator access holes.
Also, there is seam sealer (white) painted over on the quarter panel to door jamb seal and where the door jamb meets the rocker panel. Same deal on the rocker panel to A pillar seams.
Also, there is white sealer on the A pillar post seams (all the area where the door hinges are located).
I have this car stashed away and partly dissassembled, but when I get around to restoring it I will take a lot of pics and document all this. This will be my reference car for my other restos.
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