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Sonic Block DIY Testing #3256804
09/09/24 01:40 PM
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I normally have my blocks sonic tested pre build.
I have used different vendors to do the testing over the years.
My first experience was very reputable and I was satisfied with the results, but they were pricey.
Others I used were less so in all areas.
Today I contacted the company from my first experience, and for a CI V8 tested at 3 level s at 12, 3, 6, and 9 o'clock they want $525.
Online I can buy a tester between $180 to $1200.
I don't need high precision for this task.
Anybody here tried a DIY block sonic testing and wish to share any comments?



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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: jcc] #3256808
09/09/24 01:59 PM
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Many years ago a bunch of us went together and purchased a Dakota PR-9. It makes sense to share the cost of something pricey that won't be used that much by an individual.

When you do the testing yourself, there's no "time is money" element and you can test as many or as few spots as you want.


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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: John_Kunkel] #3256811
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Thanks.
So the takeaway is, no hidden landmines in using one, other than cost.
Seems also like a good opportunity for someone to supply one for a reasonable fee like at a Carlise swap meet.

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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: jcc] #3256815
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I bought a Dakota ultrasound unit 20+ years ago because the local engine builder didn't have one. I tested my own blocks and then I started testing blocks for the engine shop. They charged the customer $150 to sonic test a block and they paid me $75 to do the work. Eventually I got tired of running over there to sonic test blocks for them so I sold them the sonic checker.

Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: jcc] #3256816
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I’ve been thinking of one myself, a cheap one though. I’ll have an old piece of cylinder cut out to check against each time I’d use it.

Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: jcc] #3256826
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Originally Posted by jcc
I normally have my blocks sonic tested pre build.
...Anybody here tried a DIY block sonic testing and wish to share any comments?...

So I can already see the cringe on peoples faces, but it is what it is (a DIY amateur here, no pro shop, nor are my needs such) so here is what I've done: I bought a cheap ultrasonic thickness tester (China sourced) and having repeatedly confirmed that the probe was reading correctly (various materials, including cast iron) I went ahead and used that to sonic test my block.

The only thing I needed to do here was to shape the probe accordingly so that it would comply with the round bores...so other than a little elbow grease there were no other issues to speak off.

Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: Diplomat360] #3256829
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There is nothing exotic about ultrasonic testing. When I was working I did hundreds of thickness tests on power boiler tubes. If you have the correct material selected, a test blank to verify calibration, a probe that fits the contour of what you are testing, couplant, and a clean spot to test, it's a walk in the park.


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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: Diplomat360] #3256835
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Originally Posted by Diplomat360
Originally Posted by jcc
I normally have my blocks sonic tested pre build.
...Anybody here tried a DIY block sonic testing and wish to share any comments?...

So I can already see the cringe on peoples faces, but it is what it is (a DIY amateur here, no pro shop, nor are my needs such) so here is what I've done: I bought a cheap ultrasonic thickness tester (China sourced) and having repeatedly confirmed that the probe was reading correctly (various materials, including cast iron) I went ahead and used that to sonic test my block.

The only thing I needed to do here was to shape the probe accordingly so that it would comply with the round bores...so other than a little elbow grease there were no other issues to speak off.

No cringe here, cuz that's exactly what I did about 10 years ago. Bought a budget tester and two probes, one to leave flat and the other which I modified the profile to fit flush inside a 4.375" tapered ring compressor.

There was some particular part of the blocks themselves which I used for calibration that seemed to work better than the pre-set options in the tester, although I can't recall where exactly that was thinking back on it now... work


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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: 6PakBee] #3256836
09/09/24 03:37 PM
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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: jcc] #3256906
09/09/24 10:57 PM
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I bought a Dakota 1000 sonic tester years ago to do my own testing, still have and use it up work scope


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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: Cab_Burge] #3256916
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I bought a cheap Chinese testor, it doesn't even make a good doorstop. VERY inaccurate to say the least. If you're going to buy one don't go cheap!

Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: quickd100] #3256937
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I have a REED tester and a cheaper chicom version. The REED is solid. About $350 or so.

Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: usp4u] #3257124
09/11/24 07:36 AM
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I bought a cheap one several years ago. Had to shape the probe to fit the round bore, but it seems to work ok. Easy to calibrate/check w/ something you can put a mic on.
It's a pain to convert everything from metric though. The cheap ones usually only read in mm.


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Re: Sonic Block DIY Testing [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3257174
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I try and calibrate my tester to a known thickness (+ or-.0030 or less) on the blocks I check first up scope wrench


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