Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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They state 400 + cfm at .800". Anybody running them? Doug They must have a huge cross section to support that. J.Rob
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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I have them. Only been to the track once and the new E-85 carb was running rich. I think they flowed around 385 at my cylinder head guys bench, but that was without any entry form and I think on a 4.30" bore? I think they out flow my single 4150 1,000 cfm carb? The car ran nearly the same ET as when I had my 335 cfm heads on the car (but as mentioned, there is more in the new engine once I get it tuned.) 385 without any entry radius? Coffee just came outta my nose! J.Rob
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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They state 400 + cfm at .800". Anybody running them? Doug They must have a huge cross section to support that. J.Rob these are Moderns cnc port but yes they can go big LOL. Andy F has done some stuff with Victor heads maybe he'll chime in. The heads pictured were being built but then I moved and it all got put on hold for the time being.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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They list their small block Victor at 371@.800 and the big block at 406@.800 so I assumed he meant BB.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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I have them. Only been to the track once and the new E-85 carb was running rich. I think they flowed around 385 at my cylinder head guys bench, but that was without any entry form and I think on a 4.30" bore? I think they out flow my single 4150 1,000 cfm carb? The car ran nearly the same ET as when I had my 335 cfm heads on the car (but as mentioned, there is more in the new engine once I get it tuned.) 385 without any entry radius? Coffee just came outta my nose! J.Rob Mine too. I surely hope no one with a flow bench is that STUPID.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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They state 400 + cfm at .800". Anybody running them? Doug They must have a huge cross section to support that. J.Rob these are Moderns cnc port but yes they can go big LOL. Andy F has done some stuff with Victor heads maybe he'll chime in. The heads pictured were being built but then I moved and it all got put on hold for the time being. I had a set of Victor heads for a while but I sold them. I never ran them. They flow a lot of air on the bench but some of the other issues with the head made me think twice about investing time in them. There are a few guys on here who are running the Victor BB head though. Don't know about the SB head, haven't seen any pictures of those on customer engines yet.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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This is the only set we have tested Those look like the flow numbers from their old program. If you look here they have a revised table with better low lift numbers @.600-.800 lift: http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/1headflowchartscomparisons.php#4658S3When I asked Dave Hughes how to get .700+ lift he told me (not verbatim) that the scrub pattern on the valve tip would get ugly and retainer to rocker clearance would go away unless you used a much too tall stack of rocker shaft shims. Once I solved the valve train geometry issues the clearance issues went away too. Dave told me "been there, done that" and just run a smaller cam. I said no way and bought a bunch of retainers and locks to figure out how to get a 1.625 spring in there with a 2.00" installed height. I then called Mike at http://www.b3racingengines.com/ and he hooked me up with a rocker shaft spacer kit that put everything in the right place for good. Now I can run an .800 lift cam but with the older heads they didn't increase much from .700-.800 lift so it wasn't nessecary. Anyway, I'm in the same boat as Mr. D7. My engine is almost ready to dyno after two years of moving into and fixing up our second, now primary residence.. All that needs to be finished are a little bit of welding on the revised Schoenfeld dyno headers and to figure out if we want to dyno it with or without the nitrous kit. Thoughts on what this will make? How fast will a 3500 lb car go with it? With a 300 shot? Da da da...the suspense lol Here is the engine combo from 30k ft: -511" based on a 400 block with aluminum caps/studs -4.375" bore/6.535 rod (2.200/.990)/4.25" stroke crank -Diamond 4.375" pistons, 1.32CH, -12.5cc reverse dome (~11:1ish with the heads below) -Hellfire rings, H13 pins, standard oil ring -Edelbrock Victor MW heads CNC ported by Hughes and cleaned up by me. ~380@.700 lift - Hughes 1.7 ratio rockers, Manley TI retainers/locks -Isky Tool Room RAD-9999 springs -Isky Redzone EZ-X lifters -B3 Racing Engines geometry correction kit (it was right on too!) -Jones Cam, >.700 lift, 280's@.050 -Quickfuel 4150 1000CFM carb, will test annular and down leg boosters on the dyno. -Indy 400-2 4150 single plane intake cleaned up by me -TTI 2.125-2.00" step headers with exhaust to be determined -6qt 70-71 Hemi oil pan, 3/8" pickup, HV pump turned down to make reasonable pressure -Monte Smith flowed NOS brand "Big Shot" plate kit -MSD 7AL2, old school 3-chip timing retard, HVC coil, FireCore Fiddy wires. -All gaskets are Superformance with the exception of the MLS head gaskets. -Electric water pump, etc.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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Currently running a set of the victor heads, they are from Hughes, CNC ported from circa 2009 maybe 2008; I know they do not flow anything like the numbers mentioned. The combo is very basic and the performance has been good; Looking at the heads I realized they were not a B1 or a full flowed Indy but they had some other characteristics that fit my build at the time; That is a Standard 440 intake port ( re use M1 tunnel ram) and they would work with my existing out of the box Hooker 5209 headers. I have made probably close to 500+ runs with these heads and had zero issues.
My best et is 9.65@138 and my last run at Summit Raceway park this past October 11th was 9.71@138; The mill is a 499ci in a 3585# 68 B body; Doing the math I would say it makes pretty good power but nothing remarkable. probably a solid 750HP;
The combo is really simple; - 499 ci ( 4.15 x 4.375) - JE flattop - 13.1 : 1 CR - M1 Tunnel Ram / 2 4150 Holley (vp 110 fuel) - Crane 280/670 Roller ( this cam is literally 25 years old) - HS 1.6 Rocker Arms - K-Motion 950 springs - 727 with either 8" ATI or 9" Dynamic - 4;30 gear - 13 x 31 tire
As you can see plenty of room for improvements; I read a lot about the hassle folks had with these heads and can say I did not experience that; My biggest amount of work was clearance for the push rods; That took an extra few hours to get right, nothing painful just some extra time; The HS rockers worked out of the box and the k-950 springs have been in the engine since 2009 and show decent pressure when last checked. I have busted a few dampers but simply removed them and kept racing.
My new bullet is in the garage and hopefully in the car next spring; It is a Best machine aluminum 540 with Indy 325 CNC heads; My assumptions suggest a good jump in performance but who knows until it makes a pass.
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
[Re: dvw]
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We were having a discussion the other night about BB Mopar heads for a quicker style bracket car. The B1 and Indy design being over 25 years old. What amazes me is the Pontiac Edelbrock and the Indy AMC head seem to make more power even though they are a "nitch" head. I know question of bore size comes up, but LS, small Ford,Pontiac,AMC are no bigger. Yet all have proportionally high flowing heads. Doug At Dan's (RIP) shop he was repairing a set of Pontiac heads (for a Pontiac motor). They looked a lot like Best's PSO heads intake port and Dan said that the Poncho made over 1000hp NA. They were so sexy
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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This is the only set we have tested Those look like the flow numbers from their old program. If you look here they have a revised table with better low lift numbers @.600-.800 lift: http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/1headflowchartscomparisons.php#4658S3When I asked Dave Hughes how to get .700+ lift he told me (not verbatim) that the scrub pattern on the valve tip would get ugly and retainer to rocker clearance would go away unless you used a much too tall stack of rocker shaft shims. Once I solved the valve train geometry issues the clearance issues went away too. Dave told me "been there, done that" and just run a smaller cam. I said no way and bought a bunch of retainers and locks to figure out how to get a 1.625 spring in there with a 2.00" installed height. I then called Mike at http://www.b3racingengines.com/ and he hooked me up with a rocker shaft spacer kit that put everything in the right place for good. Now I can run an .800 lift cam but with the older heads they didn't increase much from .700-.800 lift so it wasn't nessecary. Anyway, I'm in the same boat as Mr. D7. My engine is almost ready to dyno after two years of moving into and fixing up our second, now primary residence.. All that needs to be finished are a little bit of welding on the revised Schoenfeld dyno headers and to figure out if we want to dyno it with or without the nitrous kit. Thoughts on what this will make? How fast will a 3500 lb car go with it? With a 300 shot? Da da da...the suspense lol Here is the engine combo from 30k ft: -511" based on a 400 block with aluminum caps/studs -4.375" bore/6.535 rod (2.200/.990)/4.25" stroke crank -Diamond 4.375" pistons, 1.32CH, -12.5cc reverse dome (~11:1ish with the heads below) -Hellfire rings, H13 pins, standard oil ring -Edelbrock Victor MW heads CNC ported by Hughes and cleaned up by me. ~380@.700 lift - Hughes 1.7 ratio rockers, Manley TI retainers/locks -Isky Tool Room RAD-9999 springs -Isky Redzone EZ-X lifters -B3 Racing Engines geometry correction kit (it was right on too!) -Jones Cam, >.700 lift, 280's@.050 -Quickfuel 4150 1000CFM carb, will test annular and down leg boosters on the dyno. -Indy 400-2 4150 single plane intake cleaned up by me -TTI 2.125-2.00" step headers with exhaust to be determined -6qt 70-71 Hemi oil pan, 3/8" pickup, HV pump turned down to make reasonable pressure -Monte Smith flowed NOS brand "Big Shot" plate kit -MSD 7AL2, old school 3-chip timing retard, HVC coil, FireCore Fiddy wires. -All gaskets are Superformance with the exception of the MLS head gaskets. -Electric water pump, etc. Should fly but feel the 4150 carb is going to be the restrictor........
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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This is the only set we have tested Those look like the flow numbers from their old program. The Best flow sheet is dated 2010, so I'd expect that's correct. I have the #s Hughes posted for their original MW program somewhere...
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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This is the only set we have tested Those look like the flow numbers from their old program. The Best flow sheet is dated 2010, so I'd expect that's correct. I have the #s Hughes posted for their original MW program somewhere... lol and they are still low from whatever the old numbers are. I think they are on Stan Wiess' web site IIRC. Between Edelbrock and Lenco I'm pretty much over trying to go drag racing for now! Back on topic.... None of you seasoned racers care to guess what my pile of parts will make?
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Re: Hughes Victor heads, who's gone fast with them?
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I think I posted the flow numbers once before, but I will try to find the flow sheet from the head shop. We only checked one port just to see. This was when we were milling off the rocker stands to fit up the rocker stand blocks. EDIT: Found the flow sheet:
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