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Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: Keith Black®] #997875
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In terms of braking, I was inspired by the brakes used on the 1968 (Poteet) Nascar Charger built by Steve Strope.
However, getting any information on this brake setup was impossible. not from anyone anywhere nor Wilwood. I had to do a lot of research & a lot of calls. Using that as a baseline I researched & came up with my own system which wasn't straightforward but I am really pleased with the setup.

I have 14.25 slotted/vented/drilled disc's on the front, with TC6R radial mount 6-piston calipers. These are the largest caliper made by Wilwood (SUV caliper):

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I chose the FatMan drop spindles to retain the geometry in the front suspension while lowering the car the 2 inches I wanted.
The Fatman spindles are a long way from ideal (but no alrernatives where available at the time I put it together). If I was doing this part again today I would go for the one-piece drop spindles from Magnum force even though are are cast, they are strong (the Fatman spindle is in effect made of 4 pieces - hardly ideal for important this component).
I may yet change these.
Anyway, I had to have custom caliper brackets made to fit the calipers as the whole setup is non-standard and a long way from any kit offered by Wilwood.

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the billet Aluminium hubs provided by Wilwood are a nice piece, however it was difficult getting hub seals to match the hub/spindle (nonetheless I found some & bought a few sets spares!).
Here's a shot of the hat/rotors together and safety wired. Discs obviously only rotate 1 direction so they have to be on the correct side.
We mounted the caliper bracket in a way that also has a large bolt going into the upper part of the spindle as added strength to that welded area.
I am still considering swapping the spindles for one-piece units which may mean new caliper brackets (arrggghh !!$$). That's why I haven't yet made dust shields to cover the exposed area at the centre of the hub.. which I plan to do.

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the brakes are massive.better shot of safety wiring:

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one aspects of the Wilwood hubs I didn't like was that the hub centre is tapered, not really providing adequate support for the wheel to register on. I didn't want all the wheel load to be carried by the wheel studs. Also the brake hat internal diameter didn't provide a solid register (was slightly too large) again leaving the wheel studs to do the locating work. I fixed this and had a internally tapered shrink fit register made.. you can see it in this picture . this is a solid register for the wheel & brake hat:

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front upper control arms etc with k-member in.:

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with spindle & brake assemblies installed:

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with wheel & tyres on:
Fitted 19in- 275/30x19 -

FINAL wheel/tyre will be 275/50 x 18. There is just enough room inside an 18" rim for internal rim/caliper clearance & I prefer higher profile (thicker) tyre on the front.

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installed #1

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installed #2

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Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: Keith Black®] #997885
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installed #3

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Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: Keith Black®] #997886
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looks a bit dusty from this angle, but from inside the engine compartment (have tidied this up a great deal since). note new hood hinges. engine mounts are poly-lock Schumacher mounts.

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So there were a few "learnings" from the front suspension/steering/brakes exercise. My to do list on this is now:
1. Change the upper control arms & tie Rods for hotchkis parts (see pic's below)
2. Sell the MagnumForce upper control arms and FF tie rods.
3. replace the spindles with MF 2 in drop spindles and have brake caliper brackets altered/remade.
4. wheel tyre combo for front to change to 275/50x18.

then I'll be happy with the front end.a few mistakes made but you learn as you go. I never wanted to go for one of the front ends like alterkation or magnum force units (or XV thank goodness) as they just don't provide the end result I want.

Now to the rear end & suspension:...

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..woops (5. make up hub dust/cover plates to bolt to inside of spindles)

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Darren, I love the work you are doing on your car. It's going to be a GREAT car when it's done.

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Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: jrwoodjoe] #997890
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I love this thread! Amazing Car. My Favorite Mopar too! I hope to do one in the future

Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: MuuMuu101] #997891
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thanks guys, ...moving to the rear end of the car, my first thoughts were around a Dana 60 & leaf springs:

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here are the rear tyres: may have mentioned 345/30 ZR 19 Michelin Pilot PS2's. I had to import them.

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The axle/diff setup I ordered (ex USA) was a custom order:
> Moser (Dana) 60
> 3.73:1 Detroit Locker
> 35 spline alloy axles
> Forged 1350 yoke
> Moser Alloy Rear cover 356-T6
> Standard width
> Std 4.5 x 5 x 1/2 studs
> Ford axle housing ends and axle bearings

[the reason for this is that Wilwood have(had) VERY limited choices for Mopar rears. The Ford axle ends/housing opened up significant options for the rear brakes]

> Brakes: Wilwood 14 inch slotted vented drilled discs, hat/hub units incorporating internal park drum-brake assembly, 4-Piston calipers.

Re: My 68 Hemi Charger Project -a little different [Re: Keith Black®] #997894
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one of the unexpected problems was that Wilwood had changed the discs between when I ordered the front ones, and the rears. The rear discs came "e-Coated" in a black powdercoat type covering.
The front discs looked great, in a zinc/nickel wash type of finish. Now the rear discs didn't match,..wilwood were unable to help in any way saying all their discs where now like this.

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