Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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05/08/11 10:34 AM
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I think what you guys are missing is this stuff is for specific application race engines not for mainstream engines. A regular billet core will work fine until you can't get the lobes in the block.
Or need lobes re-located , which ( sorry for the redundancy ) is also pretty specific , not to mention light years ahead of the average Joe. Hey Man.......I'm guilty of it too. I'm going with a front drive distributor on a street & strip R-3 / W-9 combo for show and tell purposes. But the villagers will see that...........I can tell them I have any cam I want to at that point and they'll have no choice but to believe. ( MoPar UGL billet sent to Bullet and pretty tame as cams go. ) ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) I could have gone with a simple chain and good distributor for significantly less $$. And I am aware of the potential shortcomings of this set up for street use , up to and including road crud finding it's way into the belts and street manners with locked out timing. But there are two other "65 Dart G.T.'s roaming around here............they're getting to be like Camaro's or Nova's. I had to do something to set myself apart. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif) Even on a pure race car , at the performance level I am looking at , I am over doing some things. And I think that is fairly common for a lot of us. Others listen to the voice of reason and allow common sense and fiscal responsibility to enter into the equation. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif)
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Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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05/09/11 05:16 PM
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thanks, I'll stick with the stock dimensions then, still, definitely worth knowing what was pointed out. cam is unlikely to have that sort of spring pressure: Quote:
250/262 @ .050, .700 lift at valve, 114 LSA, solid roller
appreciate the info from everyone. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif)
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Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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05/09/11 07:15 PM
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Shop around before you give up on the 54mm idea...
It is a no charge upgrade from Keith Black Racing, and several companies stock the cores. Mine was from LSM
Yes it was a bit more than a shelf stock cam, but if you want the most performance available you should go custom grind anyways.
Comp has the cores as well.
Good luck,
Arnie
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70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.
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Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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05/09/11 09:23 PM
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Here's a couple of crappy phone pictures of my cam for my Hemi99 engine. ![](http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/sixguns_/parts/IMAG0025.jpg) ![](http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/sixguns_/parts/IMAG0026.jpg) This is where roller cam bearings came from, the need to use larger cores to get the larger lobes through the block, to strenghten them from flexing with huge spring open loads and to help handle the crazy loading on the cam bearings from 1500# open spring loads. This is a 60mm core, note the height of the lobe versus the o.d. of the cam journal. Also, in an effort to quiet down the valvetrain and to try and control cam flex they added cam bearings, and the engine I have actually has nine cam bearings, not five. Even with a 60mm core and a lobe as big as as the o.d. of the journal, it still has 1.85 ratio rockers to get to the lift number they wanted (1.100"). As others have said, this is something you don't need unless you plan on really stepping up your program in the future, then it makes more sense. Hope that helps.
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Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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Wow ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shock.gif) awesome. My cam is/will be very tame by comparison. what sort of seat/open spring pressure for .700 lift solid roller with roller rockers & heavy valvetrain components ~<7,000rpm....?
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Re: Roller bearing vs std bearing cam RB/hemi?
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Wow ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shock.gif) awesome. My cam is/will be very tame by comparison.
what sort of seat/open spring pressure for .700 lift solid roller with roller rockers & heavy valvetrain components ~<7,000rpm....?
At 7000 revs you wont need alot... but it also will depend on the valve train weight... but I have .710 lift with 320 on seat and 900 open... you could get away with 300 seat and 650 open...... JMO ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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