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BAE heads new bare are around $6000. Don't forget around the same for complete rockers. $1600 for bare intake.Plus all of the smaller parts. There are places that race heads up and if you are a mopar guy you are 2 steps back as soon as you start.I have to thank the guys who push the motor combo's and find new things that work for us mopar racers.

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With my latest venture into the Predator world, I am learning many things. One is that big inch Hemis, 632 and Chevys, bracket blower motors that are durable and their componants, are very expensive. Less expensive options would be used engines, turbo, and nos. But if you think a new Chevy 632 bracket/heads up 1200-1300 is less trhan 35.000, you need to just look in the Wally guide to see what Schmit, Reher, charges for these motors. And they make them by the dozens with volume purchases on parts. The Mopar guy is a loyalist. We don't have near the options the GM guys do. That's why the guys who develop parts for us, deserve respect. They do it for the same reason, they are Mopar loyalists. Only it costs them more than the rest of us to be Mopar guys. And they have to wait years at times to recoup the money laid out for this development. So you have to ask yourself if you can live with a GM motor in your car. You might save a little but not much and then you have what everybody else has. Or you can be different and build a Mopar. The choice is ours, but give our parts producers credit. It's just as hard for them to choose against building GM race parts. And the reason no one is mass producing 4.84 and 5 inch bors spacing blocks and heads for Mopars by the dozens, is because the Mopar crowd would whine about the price. Just ask the guys at Indy. Maybe that's why they treat people the way they do. Hey I'm a whiner too, but I am a Mopar guy and have been for 45 years.

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I cant bite my tongue any longer, just wondering why loyalty is even brought up... These engine have little to do with brand loyal.. So I dont understand, this would also include the PS hemi's, how do those guys help develop parts for Mopar brand loyal?
If you worried about that, spend less money on a BAE, make as much power as anyone, and still look brand loyal.. More so than a Predator head Mopar with spread port runners.
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The question is why can't we associate OEM brands with aftermarket parts?

I see nothing wrong whatsoever with calling predator heads Mopar because is was intended to go on a Mopar product. I think brand association is a good thing. Why not call big 900ci engines ford, chevy, mopar, whatever?

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But, what would not be Mopar about the Pro Stock Hemi.

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Some people can say that the Hemi 99 is just an updated version of the Oldsmobile DRCE, just with a 90° turned chamber. But…

One can also say that the Hemi’s of the 60’s and 70’s were a rip off of such things as the Belgian car maker Pipe in 1905, the Peugeot Grand Prix Car of 1912, the Alfa Romeo GP car of 1914, Daimler, and Riley all of whom used engines with hemispherical cylinder heads.

There really isn't anything new under the sun!

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The average Mopar guy is a tight wad plain and simple, hence why people are not prepared to develop to decent high end parts. Most of these guys will get upset when you tell them so too!

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The average Mopar guy is a tight wad plain and simple, hence why people are not prepared to develop to decent high end parts. Most of these guys will get upset when you tell them so too!

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I'm not a tight wad, just broke, plain and simple. That's why I race a Mopar because I don't want to spend money I don't have to keep fixing it.

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This is a good discussion in my book, and nothing wrong with a debate, at least to thick skinned people.... On that Note.
Bologna
"Blocks"
Plenty of people would buy a large bore spacing block if it was available, I would buy one. No Im no Im far from Rich, but I dont care to spend a little money to try and go fast.
My next engine will be a B1MC (top end) engine which I could get for about half the price of the Predator's (top end)... Fully cnc ported heads and a good set of rockers....with money saved buy a Koleno/World Block for the same money as the Predator Top End Only. Im sorry but IMO make about the same amount of power (ball Park anyways) Im glad we have the Predator heads..
I know the Predator heads are a better design and have potential to make a good bit more power. I do Not debate this...
I glad there is People like Steve Gill that helps bring new stuff like this to hot rod world... And id still rather deal with him than Indy Direct LOL.
Now I go to my corner!!

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i dont have a dog in this race, my goals is easily reached by what is made, but there is more

anybody know Todd Goodwin? 5.0,5.3,5.4 bore space blocks and heads.
http://www.goodwincompetition.nhttp://moparmax.com/tech/2011/vi_4-indyheads-1.htmlet/homepage.htm


now i am sure this stuff will make the predator heads look very cheap. but if extreme performance is what is needed, you must have the money to go that fast

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i dont have a dog in this race, my goals is easily reached by what is made, but there is more

anybody know Todd Goodwin? 5.0,5.3,5.4 bore space blocks and heads.
http://www.goodwincompetition.nhttp://moparmax.com/tech/2011/vi_4-indyheads-1.htmlet/homepage.htm


now i am sure this stuff will make the predator heads look very cheap. but if extreme performance is what is needed, you must have the money to go that fast

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That it who i was talking about with the 650 ci 5 inch hemis at 1575hp!!! His own billet hemi heads. His engines run with Sonny and Schmit!!! And he is an amazing guy to talk to and work with!

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For some reason i thought you meant 5. bore space 2nd gen Hemis...that would be way cool.. But still the 5" P/S Hemi that makes 1500+ hp is fantastic! Now to get a mopar built with that 5.4" bore space block he has!!

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i dont have a dog in this race, my goals is easily reached by what is made, but there is more

anybody know Todd Goodwin? 5.0,5.3,5.4 bore space blocks and heads.
http://www.goodwincompetition.nhttp://moparmax.com/tech/2011/vi_4-indyheads-1.htmlet/homepage.htm


now i am sure this stuff will make the predator heads look very cheap. but if extreme performance is what is needed, you must have the money to go that fast

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That it who i was talking about with the 650 ci 5 inch hemis at 1575hp!!! His own billet hemi heads. His engines run with Sonny and Schmit!!! And he is an amazing guy to talk to and work with!

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For some reason i thought you meant 5. bore space 2nd gen Hemis...that would be way cool.. But still the 5" P/S Hemi that makes 1500+ hp is fantastic! Now to get a mopar built with that 5.4" bore space block he has!!

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