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Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
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04/21/11 10:03 AM
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After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
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[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 10:13 AM
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trade services. i got a young guy that can tig weld to bring his welder and everything over to my garage and weld my cage up. i fitted all the bars. take your time and make it just how you want it. i bought a kit from S&W and for a CM kit it cost just a fraction more. total cost for a 12 point for me was under $800
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 10:17 AM
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After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
That's cheap if you ask me. If you have never done it before? my advise would be to pay the man. Otherwise Good luck. Bolt in is not acceptable imo.
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[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 11:08 AM
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At 2200 dollars, I hope he's kissing you while doing it!  . That's the problem nowadays---some guys think their services are "gold". Anyway, welding isn't acceptable.In short, your main hoop goes behind the rear seat, crossbrace parellel & at the midpoint of the hoop, hoop is reinforced at the base (6inx6in square plates welded to the floor if you don't have frame connectors,) by "outriggers" at 45degree angle welded to 2 other 6"x6", plates welded to the floor. Doorbars cannot have any bends in them & must intersect your upper arm when in a driving position. They too weld onto 6in. plates welded up in the corners of the footwell, so you'll have some contouring of them to fit well. The rear bars, guys have different opinions on--some run them back to the back & above the front or rear spring perch, others run them back as close to the upper shock mount as you can get (remember the 6in. plates!) To clarify all this, I'd get an NHRA rulebook & follow that--it'll give you a better idea & some additional ones that'll make it all safer......
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04/21/11 11:32 AM
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My 2 cents- Those who haven't done it will strongly suggest hiring it done. Those of us who have done it will promote doing it your self and tell you you can do this. Buy a kit after researching whose kit is best liked for do it your selfers, including how well they liked the instruction manual. If you have a few fabricating tools you can start the project by notching and fitting the tubing with tack welds. Learning how to weld with a wire feed isn't that difficult. If you are a do it yourself type guy, you can buy a welder with the savings and start practicing on scrap from the fitting process. Be sure and practice all angles, over head welding, etc. If you are unhappy with How things are going, back up and practice till you are good at it. The main thing is be sure your welds are penetrating for strength. Some pretty welds will fall apart if you lean on them, some ugly ones will never be the failing point under severe stress. Lastly, this web site is a real treasure. Guys hear will guide you through the process. When you are done, you will have great satisfaction from having done it your self, not to mention the tools and skills to do much more in the future 
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04/21/11 12:15 PM
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After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
That's cheap if you ask me. If you have never dome it before? my advise would be to pay the man. Otherwise Good luck. Bolt in is not acceptable imo.
how do you figure that cheap? thats $366 a point?
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04/21/11 12:49 PM
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don't be afraid of doing it yourself! i did mine. the more time you take in preparation and research, the better it will turn out. take welding classes. get yourself a welder. memorize the rule book as it pertains to roll bar/ cage construction. if you're in a hurry, have someone do it for you. don't even think about bolting it in. or using exhaust tubing. or pvc.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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04/21/11 12:56 PM
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I would agree with Challenger 1. Cheap? , yes $366.00 a point for a roll_bar installed the correct way , i think it is. Something people tend to forget when they are making and installing these things in the garage with a Harbor Freight pipe bender, Home depot 110 welder and limited knowledge - This Roll Bar can save your life one day! So i would ask is $2200.00 cheap? or reasonable?. For all those that installed them yourselves - How long did it take? include researching,ordering and unloading material as well as quoting the work,talking to the customer on the phone, unloading and loading the car at the shop, etc.... How much did the equipment cost? Whats the knowledge of installing it correctly worth? Multipy all of this by a shop rate of anywhere from $45.00 - $70.00 an hour. How much should it cost? Is it cheap? Just my 
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04/21/11 01:14 PM
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If you have never welded then get someone else to weld it after you get it fitted. Tig is best and if you find a guy to weld it then go chrome moly. I bent up my tube chassi car and welded it together but I have a few hours under a welding helmit. 
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[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 01:36 PM
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After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
I'll be following this thread.... in the past, I have been talking about the need of a 6pt as well... and I think this year I'll be getting a tap on my shoulder from the NHRA officials after the first run of the season with everything I've done over the winter. I wouldn't say I am an expert or a welder by trade, but I do have a few hours using my mig. 
Dave
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[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 01:51 PM
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Quote:
After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
WOW!  My local chassis guy charges $100 a point and is very good. I plan on doing mine myself also.Buy a welder, you won't regret the money spent. I love my Hobart 140 and can't see myself without one now. If you are a decent welder I wouldn't see where you couldn't do it yourself. I've seen some questionable welding on some cages around here still pass tech
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[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/21/11 03:39 PM
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If you haven't already, contact Dennis at DMC Racing in Halifax, MA. IMO he is the very best chassis builder in NE, and he still does street cars. Their turn around is what they say it is too, no messing around. may be a few hours from you, but if you have not done a roll bar, don't have the welder or the skills, Dennis and crew are the best. DMC Racing 400 Industrial Drive Halifax, MA 02338 Phone-781 - 294-7200 or you may use the following E-Mail link dennis@dmcracing.com
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[Re: SLOW67]
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04/21/11 03:54 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Quote:
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After being quoted $2200 to install a 6pt roll bar in my 67 Coronet I think I want to do it myself!
Can those who have please post how and what they did.
I do not have a welder, so is bolt it acceptable?
Thanks.
WOW! My local chassis guy charges $100 a point and is very good. I plan on doing mine myself also.Buy a welder, you won't regret the money spent. I love my Hobart 140 and can't see myself without one now. If you are a decent welder I wouldn't see where you couldn't do it yourself. I've seen some questionable welding on some cages around here still pass tech
I guess everyone idea of welding is different, I would never mig weld a cage.
$2200 might be high. but not so if you have to buy a welder, learn to weld, buy the material and learn how to install it in your car.
And maybe the guy quoting the work didn't really want to do it?
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04/21/11 04:20 PM
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Cleveland , OH
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Again -   . This might be getting off topic now ,but , if it was up to me - all Roll Bars / Cages would require welding from a certified welder and those certs to be presented to the organization certifying the car. Alot of people with welders out there , but very few Welders.
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