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E Body Blower Motor rubber bushings & sleeves #97479
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Need some help locating a source for the (3) rubber bushings & sleeves that attach to the blower motor 'plate' for the (3) studs on the heater box for '70 E Body. The parts catalog states they are not serviced, so, short of finding an NOS blower motor plate, what has everyone here been using to freshen this area up? Any help with this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys...

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I'll ask Tom at R/T Specialties next time I order. Finding something to replace them shouldn't be too hard to locate if they are obsolete through Chrysler or nothing in the aftermarket, maybe a plumbing supply or a/c outft to start.

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Those rubber "bushings" were actually part of the whole gasket....And the good news is that the gasket/inserts were'nt E-body specific...Check out some other cars with A/C from the 70s in the boneyard and you'll find what you need...

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Heres a pic of a 70 gasket and blower motor and plate from a non ac car.Hope this helps

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Re: E Body Blower Motor rubber bushings & sleeves [Re: moparclown] #97483
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I sure do luv sniffin' around the boneyards through the Mopar section, even when most that I know of are picked nearly clean. Great advice!! Time to find a new yard around here anyways.

The three small round 2 piece bushings w/ metal sleeves I'd like to replace attach directly to the A/C blower motor & plate assembly, seen in pic below. They seem to function to cushion the blower motor to the a/c box studs just like & identical to how the three wiper motor bushings & sleeves cushion the wiper motor to the firewall studs.

The new seal/gasket kit for E body & A/C heater box did include the repro single, large & 'triangular,' a/c box blower motor seal to the firewall - this seals the box to the interior firewall also seen below in pic. Maybe this is the seal you guys are referring? to and I am just misunderstood. Thanks either way guys for taking time to answer and post any pics.

So the search is/may still be on for either something generic that is close or used donor pieces from the j-yard. I saw some small round bushings in the Help section and around hanging on hooks for oil drain plugs at Advance Auto that may work out fine for now.

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Re: E Body Blower Motor rubber bushings & sleeves [Re: screamindriver] #97484
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Those rubber "bushings" were actually part of the whole gasket....And the good news is that the gasket/inserts were'nt E-body specific...Check out some other cars with A/C from the 70s in the boneyard and you'll find what you need...




Been awhile since I looked at one, but I think I agree that the three bushings were part of that triangularish seal. Note that AC boxes and heater boxes are setup differently. By the way, nice AC box. That's one of the early ones held together with screws.

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Thanks Tav, it's out of my July '70 Barracuda & did clean up right nice, re-installed it three weekends ago. The new gasket set by DMT I recently purchased from Tom at R/T Specialties seems to be a high quality recreation. As can be seen in the pic below, the triangular 3 pointed seal included in the DMT set does not appear to incorporate the blower motor bushings I've been interested in replacing.

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As can be seen in the pic below, the triangular 3 pointed seal included in the DMT set does not appear to incorporate the blower motor bushings I've been interested in replacing.




I think that piece seals the box to the firewall, you need the piece that seals the motor to the box. Looks like a great kit, but the seal you're looking for is not reproduced. Most people just find a good used one.

Here's a pic.

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By the way, nice AC box. That's one of the early ones held together with screws.

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Interesting that you refer to that style heater-A/C box as early...My old 70 Challenger R/T S.E. with a SPD of 7/23/70 (very late) had that style box whereas most every other A/C equipt Challenger I've owned including a couple built in 8/69 had the style with the spring clips...

BTW I bought the R/T S.E. off the original 63 year old owner in 1973...

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By the way, nice AC box. That's one of the early ones held together with screws.

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Interesting that you refer to that style heater-A/C box as early...My old 70 Challenger R/T S.E. with a SPD of 7/23/70 (very late) had that style box whereas most every other A/C equipt Challenger I've owned including a couple built in 8/69 had the style with the spring clips...

BTW I bought the R/T S.E. off the original 63 year old owner in 1973...




I agree that the "early" terminology could be misleading. My 8-26-69 challenger uses the box with screws. I haven't studied it as in depth as I would like, but what I've seen on other cars and heard so far is that the boxes with screws were used on the 70 E bodies and the change to clips took place around early 71 when the B bodies started using the same firewall and AC box. Then the old stock with screws was used up in early 71.

This is the first I've heard of the spring clips being in a 70 car. Are you pretty sure they were original?

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I current Challenger (the FJ5 R/T vert) has an A13 SPD & when I got it in 95 it had been off the road since 76 with 50,000 on the odometer, it had/has the clip style box...

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hmm... I guess this needs to be looked into a little further then.

About 9 months ago I went to a local junkyard searching for half of an AC box because the drains that poke through the firewall had been busted on mine. I managed to round up several of these AC boxes, all out of car, so I couldn't say what make/model each came in originaly. While studying them trying to pick a good one, I found that there were three different types...

One type was held together with screws and J nuts.

A second type was held together with the spring clips. It had notches in the lip for the J nuts, but no holes for the screws.

The third type was also held together with the spring clips, but had No notches for the J nuts nor holes for the screws.


Any of them could be held together with the clips, but to use the screws (like I have) the second type would require drilling where the screws go (not to difficult really), and the third type would require drilling and filing or grinding for the J nuts which is a little more time consuming. Luckily I found a good example for my car that was held with the screws. Inside was a beautiful evaporator. It looked shiny like it was brand new.

So, Do you think the factory used both the screw and clip styles at the same time?

At what point 70-74 was the screw style phased out?

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The seal is missing on my car!?!? Glad I asked, too closed minded to envision a seal with 3 bushings pre-molded into it, thanks again screamindriver... and Tav, as always, really appreciate it, thanks brother.
Can we get a factory part number in here for anyone else that may have luck scoring an NOS seal (like ECS may have done!!) - my repro 70-71 parts catalog has 4 different possible seals listed...I got it from the big seller on ebay for these and he forgot to copy a bunch of pages from the originals for any of us that bought one.
Getting to the bottom of the new topic will involve some research from documented originals and their owners. Box above is dated April of '70 for July '70 SPD.

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Can we get a factory part number in here for anyone else that may have luck scoring an NOS seal?
Box above is dated April of '70 for July '70 SPD.




The #s on the one in my picture are...
2936507
53127

Where is the date located on the AC box? That could help me date all the ones in the junkyard next time I'm over that way.

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Below the part number or casting number, haven't checked to verify which, are 4 digits in this pic...1050, taking a wild guess mind you that this is date code for 105th day of '70. Can I get an amen on this brothers?

The part number you give above is a: 24-28-211 blower motor mtg. to unit...well, the rest is up to me now. Wish me luck fellers.

Do your little dance for me Benny...

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Stop dancing Benny...we're not out of the woods yet. Looking at this pic has reminded me to figure out why there is a screw plugging the one port in the firewall vacuum grommet that attches with 3 screws. I have a spare vacuum grommet from a '71 EBody I believe that only has one inlet hole, the hole the vacuum line routes through.

The grommet in pic has two inlet holes, can anyone help me locate the source for this other hole that may be missing a second vacuum hose? Why else would someone have put that screw in there! Sweet mother of all things good & evil... I was going to use the single inlet grommet I have until I can figure this out.

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Another topic I like! Could you post a pic of your single inlet grommet? My Challenger also has the dual grommet, but I know that the grommets changed through the years. Everyone that I've asked about the second hole on my grommet says that it wasn't used for anything. That always sounded kind of odd to me. Why have a hole that isn't used for anything?

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Glad to also finally learn more on this. One vacuum hose and the 2nd hole remains open (not closed with a screw like my part is for now) That extra hole has a story, we just don't what it is yet!

Below is the 'vacuum grommet' from a '71 Barracuda I mentioned & as per your request. We may find out that the two port grommet phased out at end of '70 & the single inlet hit the assembley line at some point in the '71 model year, can't offer any specific dates except those already provided.
Also seen at the top is an E Body diagram that has a pair of bushings near the blower motor & had me totally off track...

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Here's a pic of the one off my 70 challenger. The vacuum hose goes through the round hole, I've no idea what the rubber nipple is for.

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Here's a pic showing the vacuum hose grommet on a 72 'cuda. As you can see, this one just plugs into the hole, no screws.

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