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This is a reoccurring theme that happens over and over in this hobby. Someone tries to make a product that is needed and the controversy starts. I would like to ask those that are down to this “nth degree” of a detail regarding the seat belt tips a few questions. Is every other part of your car correctly date coded? Are the paint finishes exactly like the factory did them? What about correct date coded tires? Were the factory suspensions parts used in the restoration? How about those areas that can’t be seen? Did you do them correctly or skip over them because they can’t be seen? The point I am trying to make here has to do with discriminating attitudes of those who seem to be “detail” conscious in one area but blatantly accept or over look LARGER areas of concern. I had a guy call me last week and was up in arms over battery decal date stampings (Mustang customer) but proceeded to brag about the exhausting efforts he used to powder coat all of his suspension parts!!?!!?!! A three eights inch stamping bothered him but incorrect powder coating all over the vehicle was acceptable! I would imagine that seatbelt buckles tips might be the last thing that some individuals need to worry about. Mike Ross is a class guy who is just as committed and dedicated as anyone I know in this hobby. Does anyone posting here know the cost involved to manufacture every single variation of seatbelt tip that might exist? Let this new product line take hold and you might see another variation make it to production sometime in the future. These belts tips ARE representative of one type of original version. You can’t be in every corner of a room at the same time. When you concentrate on the “North” corner, people in the “East, West and South“ corners will complain. You move to the “South" corner and you immediately exchange your group of critics. I would like to thank Mike Ross for the sacrifice and investment he has made to manufacture and provide this product line. He has made the Mopar Hobby a better place because of his dedicated efforts!

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Where is Mike Ross or BE&A being bashed in this thread??? Members of this board are comparing notes on products that are being sold as the best!

Read what I copied off BE&A site:

B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. is very proud to be the premier and largest single supplier to the Mopar restoration hobby. B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. has a very simple philosophy, produce the absolute best reproduction parts without compromise. B/E & A Restoration's goal is to produce the complex parts. These parts are made with current manufacturing technologies that include: true injected molded plastics and lenses, pot metal castings and metal stamping dies. We control all tool manufacturing, production and part testing for every part manufactured. Our personnel work directly with the tool makers, to insure the quality of prototype parts prior to the manufacturing of a production ~ All parts sold by B/E & A Restoration are made exclusively for B/E & A Restoration. With this philosophy, B/E & A Restoration guarantees quality.
The owners of B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. have been in the MOPAR hobby for over 25 years and have first-hand knowledge of the restoration industry. They have experienced the problems associated with searching for good original parts only to settle for “that will have to do”. Because of our genuine passion for this hobby, B/E & A Restoration parts will be right the first time. The quality of a part represented by B/E & A Restoration will separate itself from all others.


See the part about parts will be right the first time and then reread my post about friend's experiences, heck the headrests I purchased I'm "settling" on and will "have to do" until he/they improve them or the next absolute "part without compromise" comes to market. The two separate times I spoke to Mike at shows about parts and specifically headrests I got non-specific answers to my questions. Maybe they are just bringing too much to the market too soon???


I'm also a bit surprised by your comments Dave W. as one of your customers I have great respect for you and praise for your parts but now I'm down on my own car for having powder-coated supension parts and pulleys, bumper brackets etc...

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I'm also a bit surprised by your comments Dave W. as one of your customers I have great respect for you and praise for your parts but now I'm down on my own car for having powder-coated supension parts and pulleys, bumper brackets etc...

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Where is Mike Ross or BE&A being bashed in this thread??? Members of this board are comparing notes on products that are being sold as the best!

Read what I copied off BE&A site:

B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. is very proud to be the premier and largest single supplier to the Mopar restoration hobby. B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. has a very simple philosophy, produce the absolute best reproduction parts without compromise. B/E & A Restoration's goal is to produce the complex parts. These parts are made with current manufacturing technologies that include: true injected molded plastics and lenses, pot metal castings and metal stamping dies. We control all tool manufacturing, production and part testing for every part manufactured. Our personnel work directly with the tool makers, to insure the quality of prototype parts prior to the manufacturing of a production ~ All parts sold by B/E & A Restoration are made exclusively for B/E & A Restoration. With this philosophy, B/E & A Restoration guarantees quality.
The owners of B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc. have been in the MOPAR hobby for over 25 years and have first-hand knowledge of the restoration industry. They have experienced the problems associated with searching for good original parts only to settle for “that will have to do”. Because of our genuine passion for this hobby, B/E & A Restoration parts will be right the first time. The quality of a part represented by B/E & A Restoration will separate itself from all others.


See the part about parts will be right the first time and then reread my post about friend's experiences, heck the headrests I purchased I'm "settling" on and will "have to do" until he/they improve them or the next absolute "part without compromise" comes to market. The two separate times I spoke to Mike at shows about parts and specifically headrests I got non-specific answers to my questions. Maybe they are just bringing too much to the market too soon???


This quote is the reason I asked the questions I did in my previous post. I am assuming(correctly or incorrectly) that if you are going to make a restoration part, that you would have an original one as at least a guide to go by. 25 years experience and a "get it right the first time" mission statement should make this obvious. Mike has emailed me in the past about his many 70 E Bodies. I just figured that if one was going to make a 70 belt that there would be a 70 original belt to go by. There certainly is a lot of information and study required when anyone is attempting to make a correct(50%, 70% or 95%, etc) reproduction part.
I am only asking the questions to get specific answers, not to bad mouth or be-little anyone. I have many 70 and 71 E Bodies and am needing some information for them.

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Dave W. I hear ya but I was kinda just surprised because it came off as mocking the guy. I know my Legendary covers aren't exactly like original, or my grill from Altrim isn't like original (original was worse) etc...

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So what happened to this post and why all the deletes from Mike Ross???

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What, the fact that you are a complete Jerk with horrible customer relations.

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This is a reoccurring theme that happens over and over in this hobby. Someone tries to make a product that is needed and the controversy starts. I would like to ask those that are down to this “nth degree” of a detail regarding the seat belt tips a few questions. Is every other part of your car correctly date coded? Are the paint finishes exactly like the factory did them? What about correct date coded tires? Were the factory suspensions parts used in the restoration? How about those areas that can’t be seen? Did you do them correctly or skip over them because they can’t be seen? The point I am trying to make here has to do with discriminating attitudes of those who seem to be “detail” conscious in one area but blatantly accept or over look LARGER areas of concern. I had a guy call me last week and was up in arms over battery decal date stampings (Mustang customer) but proceeded to brag about the exhausting efforts he used to powder coat all of his suspension parts!!?!!?!! A three eights inch stamping bothered him but incorrect powder coating all over the vehicle was acceptable! I would imagine that seatbelt buckles tips might be the last thing that some individuals need to worry about. Mike Ross is a class guy who is just as committed and dedicated as anyone I know in this hobby. Does anyone posting here know the cost involved to manufacture every single variation of seatbelt tip that might exist? Let this new product line take hold and you might see another variation make it to production sometime in the future. These belts tips ARE representative of one type of original version. You can’t be in every corner of a room at the same time. When you concentrate on the “North” corner, people in the “East, West and South“ corners will complain. You move to the “South" corner and you immediately exchange your group of critics. I would like to thank Mike Ross for the sacrifice and investment he has made to manufacture and provide this product line. He has made the Mopar Hobby a better place because of his dedicated efforts!

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Whats the old saying?......there's always a rotten pickle in the jar

Regardless of how perfect a reproduction is, there's always some that will critique the patina, size, shape, color,hue, surface, etc, etc, etc, etc,......and/or praise the virtue of assy. line, NOS, lunch box parts, etc, etc,.....face it, NOS has it's share of assy line rejects,....I'm sure we've all seen some examples over the years, the assy line had it's variations as well, different vendors,.....plus to many variables to control on the assy, line, regarding what part got installed, and if it was so called "CORRECT"......we've put these cars on a pedestal over the years, and have elevated them to a holy status,.......and we now want to hold those who reproduce parts to attain the same imaginary status,....I'm all for a quality product that fits, looks good,.....I hear it to in my product line also (original wingcar QC was horrible), I strive to offer a quality part that fits, looks exactly like the original, and will work with original parts,....but I get the same grief......"there's no part numbers", the metal gauge is thicker, or thinner, etc,etc, the list is endless, I do strive to tell a customer the reason for some slight changes in a part, often to strengthen the part, or ease it's installation, if I made parts that were exact (wingcar stuff), customers would be calling me to complain it looks and fits like crap!( what would/should I say,?...just like "factory" would/did?)....there's a middle road to reproductions, and you'll won't please 100 percent of the people, if you strive to make a 100 percent "correct" product, the cost involed, raises the finished parts cost, to the point, not everone can afford it, or you need to create a multible amont of copies to cover all assy. line varations,....more money,.....Kudos to B,E,A parts/ Mike Ross, and Dave at ECS, and others in the hobby that have strived to offer the best of both worlds,....parts availability and affordability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been in the "hobby" since I was 16 yrs old, thats 30 years ago for me,.....doing a Mopar, any model, meant total dedication, (still dose!)in locating parts,....the last 10 yrs we've seen a dramatic unfolding of parts available by mearly opening a catalog, or webpage

Remember their just machines,....unique machines that we value, yes... but holy grails?... some of us would like to think so?......when they were built, they were just a commodity,...their reverance wasn't held by the majority,...just a minority,......pretty much like today

I know there will still be those who will compare having, let's say "correctly" reproed grease fittings, akin to a kidney transplant receipiants qualificatons! or buying a "Mona Lisa"......that's when you fall back to the "rotten pickle" syndrome

Let the "fun" or enjoyment stay in the "hobby", over analyzing minusha is pointless

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We are really lucky to have B/E&A reproducing much needed parts at reasonable prices.

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I think you can have both.