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anyone install a JW ultra bell? #951824
03/16/11 09:32 AM 03/16/11 09:32 AM
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is it as easy as cutting off the stock bellhousing and bolting it on? or is there any machine work to be done? can it be done with the trans assembled, going to put one on my glide soon and wondering how easy it is, any input is appreciated

Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951825
03/16/11 09:41 AM 03/16/11 09:41 AM
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Also wanting to know. Need to do this on a T400.
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951826
03/16/11 09:58 AM 03/16/11 09:58 AM
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I haven't personally done it but I've seen some real hack jobs to get it on, can't be too bad but I wouldn't do it with the trans assembled.

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951827
03/16/11 10:04 AM 03/16/11 10:04 AM
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Cleveland Ohio
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I had the work done.....I have a 904 on my 440, John Cope might be able to help you CRT
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951828
03/16/11 10:15 AM 03/16/11 10:15 AM
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have not done one assembled, but i used a 6" cut off wheel, cut it from the inside out on top of the pump register. not as pretty as a mill but it is all i had

1 note if you run a shield dont cut the lug off where the front bottom brace bolts.
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: 68roadrunner] #951829
03/16/11 11:28 AM 03/16/11 11:28 AM
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Alexandria, LA
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I've cut the bell off while the trans was assembled using a cutt off wheel and everything worked great. You just have to make sure you close the openings. It's even hard to tell it's not milled but you can if you look real close. I'd say do it!!!!
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: Blucuda413] #951830
03/16/11 11:31 AM 03/16/11 11:31 AM
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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: Dart of Denmark] #951831
03/16/11 11:34 AM 03/16/11 11:34 AM
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We rough cut them then mill the final fit.

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: B G Racing] #951832
03/16/11 11:55 AM 03/16/11 11:55 AM
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I'm preparing to do the same thing.....I've got all the parts just can't find a good trans locally
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: SLOW67] #951833
03/16/11 12:19 PM 03/16/11 12:19 PM
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Just did my Powerglide without any disassembly. Used a sawsall to cut, then a mini body grinder for cleanup. Not as pretty as BG's work I'm sure but functional. Took about 2 hours.

Like Blucuda said, just make sure you get all the holes plugged up. I used duct tape on the tailshaft and pump opening and a wine bottle cork in the dipstick hole. (Drank the wine first, maybe it'd look better if I hadn't )
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: Blucuda413] #951834
03/16/11 12:21 PM 03/16/11 12:21 PM
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what do you mean by fill the openings? with like a sealer or rtv?
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951835
03/16/11 02:32 PM 03/16/11 02:32 PM
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BX, CT, FL.
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have done it on my glide
too go from BB too SB, so
easy a caveman could do it

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: B1KILLER] #951836
03/16/11 02:53 PM 03/16/11 02:53 PM
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I did my glide on one of the BIG band saws we had
at work... I marked it on a surface plate with a
height gauge then ran it through the saw then just
touched up the edges... was pretty simple... the
biggest part is indexing the bell on the pump
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: B1KILLER] #951837
03/16/11 05:56 PM 03/16/11 05:56 PM
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My tranny guy only charged me about $75 to have mine cut at a machine shop, I love it. Much nicer than dealing with a CSR shield on a big block a-body.

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: wafflebatter] #951838
03/16/11 10:57 PM 03/16/11 10:57 PM
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Best I remember I used rags and tape. Cover everytyhing and you'll have no problem. Look around you may can find a PG case with a broken bellhousing. I've got an extra one sitting just in case.
Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: Blucuda413] #951839
03/17/11 01:55 AM 03/17/11 01:55 AM
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i use a old gutted pump housing bolted to the empty case.
mount on a brake lathe and let the chips fly. lol
do lots of 440/518 lately



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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #951840
03/17/11 10:06 PM 03/17/11 10:06 PM
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Quote:

I did my glide on one of the BIG band saws we had
at work... I marked it on a surface plate with a
height gauge then ran it through the saw then just
touched up the edges... was pretty simple... the
biggest part is indexing the bell on the pump





And how is that done? bolted up a JW bell today to a Dedenbear powerglide case and it seemed a little sloppy. No alignment pins? I would think it would have been machined some how to locate better. Indexing the bell on the motor wouldn't be a problem , but locating the bell on the transmission has me puzzled.

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: rowin4] #951841
03/17/11 10:13 PM 03/17/11 10:13 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

I did my glide on one of the BIG band saws we had
at work... I marked it on a surface plate with a
height gauge then ran it through the saw then just
touched up the edges... was pretty simple... the
biggest part is indexing the bell on the pump





And how is that done? bolted up a JW bell today to a Dedenbear powerglide case and it seemed a little sloppy. No alignment pins? I would think it would have been machined some how to locate better. Indexing the bell on the motor wouldn't be a problem , but locating the bell on the transmission has me puzzled.



The ATI case has a locating boss on the outside of the pump housing, AFAIK the JW bell uses the pump bolts to locate the bell.
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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: 72chrgrally] #951842
03/17/11 11:25 PM 03/17/11 11:25 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I did my glide on one of the BIG band saws we had
at work... I marked it on a surface plate with a
height gauge then ran it through the saw then just
touched up the edges... was pretty simple... the
biggest part is indexing the bell on the pump





And how is that done? bolted up a JW bell today to a Dedenbear powerglide case and it seemed a little sloppy. No alignment pins? I would think it would have been machined some how to locate better. Indexing the bell on the motor wouldn't be a problem , but locating the bell on the transmission has me puzzled.



The ATI case has a locating boss on the outside of the pump housing, AFAIK the JW bell uses the pump bolts to locate the bell.
Steve




I'll look at it again tomorrow, it has a Gm marked pump , it didn't seem to be a true flat surface either.

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Re: anyone install a JW ultra bell? [Re: rowin4] #951843
03/18/11 02:57 AM 03/18/11 02:57 AM
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Actually the JW bell is designed to be used with their front pump for a powerglide, it has a raised edge that fits in the groove on the bell. also the brake lathe method will not work with a glide as the pan rail will be in the way
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