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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ChrgrCuda] #946348
03/08/11 10:10 PM 03/08/11 10:10 PM
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Boy I hope so as that is what is in our 70 RR. Going on a year now and the last time I checked the lash things were fine.

For what it is worth Series Land Rovers from the 60's use solid rollers and they are designed for longevity while being maintained by drunk missionaries in the middle of the Kalahari.

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946349
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I sure hope they will live, because i am putting a 626 lift cam with solid rollers in my Dart!

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: HEMIDARTS] #946350
03/08/11 10:36 PM 03/08/11 10:36 PM
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Crane 95550 and Crower 66255H both have pushrod oiling

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I'll be running one in my drag week car... the lifters
have roller oiling(hole in the lifter)




What brand ??



At the Indy show on the weekend I saw Hughes had his house-brand roller lifters at a very reasonable price. I asked if they had roller oiling and the reply was no and that he didn't think ANYONE was making them for big block Mopars. You'd think he'd have a line right in to the lifter and cam manufacturers, wouldn't you ?!?



Maybe big blocks dont have them, but do small blocks?
Mr.P is running a small block if i am not mistaken.


Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: astjp2] #946351
03/08/11 10:42 PM 03/08/11 10:42 PM
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so does the COMP 8043-16
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: DJVCuda] #946352
03/08/11 11:08 PM 03/08/11 11:08 PM
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Slightly off topic, but the bronze pin roller setup (no roller bearings) is well proven in industrial applications. Very high loads with diesel injection pressure, marginal lubrication and long life. Also inherently cost effective. Hopefully the aftermarket will catch up. The Isky "Red Zone" with bronze pin sounds good (I've never run it) but expensive.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ChrgrCuda] #946353
03/08/11 11:32 PM 03/08/11 11:32 PM
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Awesome Thumper! Here is my emotion now Thanks buddy. I probably need to turn off the computer now so I will sleep well. Lol.

As stated, street friendly lobes w/moderate spring pressures will live a long healthy life on the street/strip especially if you keep an eye on the lash and change your oil regularly.

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ahy] #946354
03/08/11 11:32 PM 03/08/11 11:32 PM
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I can't help wondering why those Red Zones are so damn expensive while having a bronze bushing rather than rollers! One thing for sure, it has to be harder-than-average bronze given the high load and the small area that has to handle it.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Stanton] #946355
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Crane 95550 and Crower 66255H both have pushrod oiling




We're not talking about pushrod oiling!
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Stanton] #946356
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Also ... how about the "life" of the intermediate shaft gear ? NEVER run one of those me-self ... but I think that there have been quite-a-few posts on how they wear-out...

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: IcorkSOAK] #946357
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I`ve changed mine once after about 4 years but didn`t really need to just a preventative manover I guess.

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Stanton] #946358
03/09/11 02:52 PM 03/09/11 02:52 PM
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I can't help wondering why those Red Zones are so damn expensive while having a bronze bushing rather than rollers! One thing for sure, it has to be harder-than-average bronze given the high load and the small area that has to handle it.



wiperdies and mandrels for rotarydraw mandrel tubebending Stainless steel,titanium and other exotic metals are made out of Alubronze and they are put under enormus stress on fairly small areas and will survive pretty good aslong as being propperly handled so i would thinks its somekind of simmilar mix

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946359
03/09/11 03:23 PM 03/09/11 03:23 PM
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its not a matter if the lifters are solid or roller or whatver....

its more about how aggressive is the cam you plan on using and how stiff are the springs.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946360
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Rev kit.

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: polyspheric] #946361
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Rev kit.


bingo

for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: polyspheric] #946362
03/09/11 04:39 PM 03/09/11 04:39 PM
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Rev kit.



That pretty much dictates using Isky stuff. With the added cost of the rev kit you may as well just upgrade to the Red Zone lifters and forget the rev kit.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Stanton] #946363
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Buy good stuff to start with and you don't need a rev kit.

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: polyspheric] #946364
03/09/11 05:49 PM 03/09/11 05:49 PM
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Rev kit.



How can that help?
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: sshemi] #946365
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Rev kit.



How can that help?


it keeps the lifter wheels in contact with the cam, eliminating "skidding". it also reduces the valve spring requirement, allowing a more endurance oriented spring selection (loss of spring tension is a lifter killer, as you know).

for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: maximum entropy] #946366
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I have only heard about rev kits but im a lost believing you need he same pressure a he lifer/wheel?
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: sshemi] #946367
03/09/11 06:32 PM 03/09/11 06:32 PM
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I have only heard about rev kits but im a lost believing you need he same pressure a he lifer/wheel?



I dont think I have ever seen a rev kit for a Mopar,
I have for chevy
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