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Re: A-1000 pump on street car? [Re: ahy] #937467
02/26/11 01:13 AM
02/26/11 01:13 AM
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I am not a fan of the A1000. A friend of mine has a twin turbo LSx 66 Nova that made 1000rwhp(black primered one featured in Car Craft) and he used a A1000 the first time. He drove the car on the Power Tour and had to stop numerous times because the pump kept over heating. In all fairness he was not running a controller but he replaced the A1000 with a Weldon pump with no other changes and it has been trouble free for 40k miles with numerous Power Tour Long Hauls and is much less noisey. The Areomotive set up is pretty pricey and you could get a custom stainless tank with a pair of Walbros in tank pumps cheaper and be more dependable. There are low 9 second full wieght cars running two Walbro 255's and they only cost $110 a piece and are extremely dependable and no controller required. Or if you want a cell just buy the cell and use two external Walbro 255's and you will save yourself $300 or $400 with no loss in performance or you could have the cell modded for in-tank pumps and go that route. I think it likely comes down to how much you drive the car. If you never go on long trips then overheating pumps of any sort is not a big concern but if you like to drive a lot its something to keep in mind.




Good info and points! I had several ideas, but settled on this one.
This is one of the few times I have heard of this. But I could see it happening 100 miles into a trip with 6 gallons circulating around.

What size was his cell?
I ordered the 20 gallon aeromotive aluminum stealth cell with internal a-1000.

This is going into a dakota mounted in the bed.

I will be driving it around a lot locally, but will also take it on long trips occasionally.

As far as a controller goes...I definitely will not be using 3/4 of the pump's capability. This will be a 408 with occasional nitrous use. So what if I were to use some type of rheostat mounted under the hood and slow it down to I dunno...say 3/4 all the time?

I figure if I could slow it down a certain amount all the time with a simple tweak of a knob, as long as I maintain the desired fuel pressure at WOT, I'm good. Right? I think the controller form aeromotive is like 300 bucks...ouch!

I would have bought something smaller, but I wanted room to grow.
I figured I'd just get it over with.




A 20 gallon aluminum cell with internal A1000 shouldn't have cavitation or heating problems at all. The 20 gallon cell will act like a big radiator. In tank cuts way down on noise also. I'd just run it w/o controller.

The controllers don't simply cut voltage; they interrupt power briefly, on and off. Simply cutting the voltage can cause the pump motor to run hot.




Yep, I read they duty cycle. If I had to do this...the aeromotive would have to be the one I use though.

I'll try it without. I have nothing to lose, except 300 bucks if I get a controller now and dont really need it.

Thanks everyone.

Re: A-1000 pump on street car? [Re: OzHemi] #937468
02/26/11 01:22 AM
02/26/11 01:22 AM
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Thank you

I talked to the Aeromotive guys at SEMA while I was building the car and asked them about the controller...if I needed or not with such a large tank and all.

I said I was going to be doing alot of street driving and stop and go with it (along with long trips,etc,etc) and pretty much they said I might be able to get away without it because of the large volume of fuel, but it would still be recommended to just save the pump from doing extra work when not needed (as when just idling around) with the engine still being near stock at the moment as well.

So I decided to go with the controller...just in case perhaps

I tried to build the fuel system with future engine upgrades in mind, so this seemed like the best way to go...perfect for the engine how it is now, and will be able to keep up with I do some heads and a cam eventually.




My engine is a run of the mill street/strip 408.
Hoping for over 500 hp.

I'll see how it all works out as is and get the controller if necessary.

Room to grow was also my reasoning.

Re: A-1000 pump on street car? [Re: POS Dakota] #937469
02/26/11 01:34 AM
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I am not a fan of the A1000. A friend of mine has a twin turbo LSx 66 Nova that made 1000rwhp(black primered one featured in Car Craft) and he used a A1000 the first time. He drove the car on the Power Tour and had to stop numerous times because the pump kept over heating. In all fairness he was not running a controller but he replaced the A1000 with a Weldon pump with no other changes and it has been trouble free for 40k miles with numerous Power Tour Long Hauls and is much less noisey. The Areomotive set up is pretty pricey and you could get a custom stainless tank with a pair of Walbros in tank pumps cheaper and be more dependable. There are low 9 second full wieght cars running two Walbro 255's and they only cost $110 a piece and are extremely dependable and no controller required. Or if you want a cell just buy the cell and use two external Walbro 255's and you will save yourself $300 or $400 with no loss in performance or you could have the cell modded for in-tank pumps and go that route. I think it likely comes down to how much you drive the car. If you never go on long trips then overheating pumps of any sort is not a big concern but if you like to drive a lot its something to keep in mind.




Good info and points! I had several ideas, but settled on this one.
This is one of the few times I have heard of this. But I could see it happening 100 miles into a trip with 6 gallons circulating around.

What size was his cell?
I ordered the 20 gallon aeromotive aluminum stealth cell with internal a-1000.

This is going into a dakota mounted in the bed.

I will be driving it around a lot locally, but will also take it on long trips occasionally.

As far as a controller goes...I definitely will not be using 3/4 of the pump's capability. This will be a 408 with occasional nitrous use. So what if I were to use some type of rheostat mounted under the hood and slow it down to I dunno...say 3/4 all the time?

I figure if I could slow it down a certain amount all the time with a simple tweak of a knob, as long as I maintain the desired fuel pressure at WOT, I'm good. Right? I think the controller form aeromotive is like 300 bucks...ouch!

I would have bought something smaller, but I wanted room to grow.
I figured I'd just get it over with.




The link below is to the Car Craft write up on the car. In the article it even lists that it has a A-1000. The car has a stock replacment type aftermarket stainless sumped tank. It was possibly a Rick's or Desert Valley tank or something similar. The Car Craft feature was after the first leg of the 08 Power Tour in Springfield MO. The car had fuel pump issues all week on the tour and was swapped over to a Weldon pump after the tour and has been trouble free since. The pump was mounted externally which may or may not add to the problems.

http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehicles/ccrp_0812_1967_chevy_nova_twin_turbo/index.html

Re: A-1000 pump on street car? [Re: POS Dakota] #937470
02/26/11 01:37 AM
02/26/11 01:37 AM
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Mine is just an LS1 with a few outside things done.. the heads and a cam should really wake it up I figure eventually...

The fuel system can certainlly handle what ever I come up with I figure. It's just a little run around car, and something that handles real well..

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