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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934537
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MattW, have you ever flowed a stock 6.1 head? Not Webers inflated numbers






That is the only head I'm missing. And my quote was from the numbers on that site

I know BES did not favor the eagle head too much. they said it needed more work than the 6.1 to achieve the numbers for the first engine master challenge that the G3 won.
Matt




Ill be flowing a set in about a hour and our numbers have been identical











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200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934538
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301

I like the eagle and apache head better.

So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine

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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934539
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Something I find completely perplexing is none of the gen 3 flow numbers that come from this site are even close to the numbers from the LX forums. All of ours are also always very similar, sometimes identical yet over there they are also very similar to each other from various vendors.

This is not the case when I go to the LS tech forums. I port alot of LS heads and every time my flow numbers are right in line with theirs. Even aftermarket. A TEA cnc square port flows 370, i get 370. AFR 225cc goes 325, on my bench the number are almost exact. Its always consistant

I called one of the hemi vendors that nobody likes, Inertia. He would not talk flow numbers and I know why, because all of the other hemi vendors are full of crap and I think he argues with them over there. Im not on there enough to know what the deal is though

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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934540
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as some of you guy's know, i am fairly good friends with Tony Bischoff... yes, that Tony Bischoff, his favorite saying he probably uses every day..."you cant race a flow bench"

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: mcat4321] #934541
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as some of you guy's know, i am fairly good friends with Tony Bischoff... yes, that Tony Bischoff, his favorite saying he probably uses every day..."you cant race a flow bench"




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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934542
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301

I like the eagle and apache head better.

So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine



Do you have the hemi in that car? reason i'm going to use the same car got any photos?

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: cudaman1969] #934543
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301

I like the eagle and apache head better.

So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine



Do you have the hemi in that car? reason i'm going to use the same car got any photos?






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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934544
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Once i blow up this magnum motor or get my times I want on the race tune, I will be starting my Gen III hemi collecting. I want to go 6.4 block and apache heads with a BIG! turbo or maybe twins


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1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel.
motor; 10.258 @ 132.78
200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: slammedR/T] #934545
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Once i blow up this magnum motor or get my times I want on the race tune, I will be starting my Gen III hemi collecting. I want to go 6.4 block and apache heads with a BIG! turbo or maybe twins




Im not sure you can put enough valve spring on Apache heads to control the valves under alot of boost. The guide is held in place by aluminum boss on top of the port where on a 6.1 head the aluminum boss is in the port. The thitek head might be the best route for a serious effort


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934546
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My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 72Swinger] #934547
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My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.




Whos cnc heads do you have?


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934548
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.1 74
.2. 141
.3. 214
.4. 261
.5. 292
.6. 301

I like the eagle and apache head better.

So far I havnt been able to match my eagle head porting it but ive read the 6.1 is better but Im not sure. Im being conservitive though because their not mine




Thx for sharing info

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934549
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My cnc'd 6.1's don't have a lot of meat removed except guide transition and roof then some more on the short turn. Pretty conservative program it looks like.




Whos cnc heads do you have?


PWR.


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: cudaman1969] #934550
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Ok i have read this entire article. questions
1. bore-stroke of the 5.7
2. bore-stroke of the 6.1
3. bore-stroke of the 6.4
if going to bore-stroke the engine, would the 5.7 be the least expensive(it will be in the car)?
can the early heads on the 5.7 be ported to the size of the eagles?
I'm confused on the cams working with the older vs new head? machined differently? My project was to find an older Challenger then install the 6.1 engine,($5200.00) now it looks like the 5.7 would could be made up just as well, later upgrade to the hellcat supercharger. This is all new to me so steer me right please.




1 3.92 x3.58
2 4.055x 3.58
3 4.090x 3.72
4 bore and stroke will be cheapest depending on which block is cheapest.
yes
don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one.
Matt




"don't know about finding a new 6,1. good luck and jump on it if you find one"

can get a used one with 59,000 miles for $5200 out of a Charger with accessory's and boxes or one for $4,000 with 100,000 miles. maybe sell the 5.7




Nigel has 1 left. Less money than used.

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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: Twostick] #934551
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sold that one a long time ago.

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