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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MattW]
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02/28/13 06:27 PM
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Cevidicus
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did any one flow these new heads thanks 
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Does anyone have any flow numbers from a set of Eagles that have been ported?
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: Cevidicus]
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03/02/13 10:37 AM
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did any one flow these new heads thanks
Just got my set flowed 5.7 stock head
intake ............. exhaust
.100 72.2 ............ 56.6
.200 150.4 ............ 112.4
.300 217.3 ............ 148.9
.400 272.5 ............ 176.3
.500 299.2 ............ 183.6
.600 302 ............ 185
not bad for a STOCK HEAD. Matt
Does anyone have any flow numbers from a set of Eagles that have been ported?
I THINK BES from the 2011 engines master challenge had a set that flowed to 360 cfm.
Don't know what bore size or type of maching was used.
I will bet that 330 to 340 would be easy with the eagle head. 
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MattW]
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03/21/14 10:35 AM
03/21/14 10:35 AM
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Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7 and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear.. I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K on the odom.... any thoughts 
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/21/14 10:45 AM
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Mike, from what I hear the pre 09 blocks (5.7) have lots of meat in them for over bore and make an excellent base. For what ever reason, the local guru at Sharadon Performance still likes the early head for porting and power in a motor of about 420 or lss (not sure on the size, but big!) stroker. With a ported head flowing over 300 (320?) that would allow some serious steam with twin turbos. 400 cubes, 15 psi, 900 hp?
I am betting that is what could be had with 92 pump!
8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/21/14 10:48 AM
03/21/14 10:48 AM
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Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: WO23Coronet]
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03/21/14 11:39 AM
03/21/14 11:39 AM
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Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
Thanks guys..... next question... seems to be a few
09 engines out there... can the 09 with the VVT be
reworked to eliminate the VVT or is it just better
to get a pre 09... I'm looking for a complete engine
to start with
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: WO23Coronet]
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03/21/14 02:05 PM
03/21/14 02:05 PM
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Member Steff on here eliminated the VVT on his 6.4 build, but he used a custom belt drive and cam. Not sure if it could be done easier though. There are aftermarket VVT cams but they're pricey, $800 range pricey for just the cam, although, a 6.4 SRT cam is an upgrade alot of 5.7 guys do, and they can be had for less than $100. I imagine you could cut out the cam phaser and lock the timing where you want it, I'm guessing a lathe and mill would come in handy for this
I have the lathe and mill.. that wouldnt be a problem
but is the block as strong on the 09 and up OR should
I continue on the path of the pre 09 engine(which
I think I might just do)
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/21/14 03:15 PM
03/21/14 03:15 PM
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I have owned 2 of the older 5.7 hemis, an 03 and 05. I currently have the Eagle motor in my 09 Ram. Neither of the older blocks had noticeable wear in the bore except one cylinder from a broken ring  Even with nearly 100k on the block there was no ridge to be felt at the top. A block with 120k should be very serviceable. Be careful on the overbore. Some of the early blocks were known to be "meaty" and some were very thin with noticeable core shift. With the kind of power you are wanting to build a sonic check is a must before you go any further.
-Reggie tobnHisglory2000@aol.com Former Mopars: 73 Charger - 440/727, 68 D200 Camper Special 383/727, 67 Satellite, 71 Superbee, 73 RoadRunner,2009 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4 Current Mopars: 2005 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4, 73 Cuda FE5 318 manual
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: tobnHisglory]
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03/21/14 05:44 PM
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Thanks guys... I believe I'll go with the 5.7 that has 120K on it... I'm gonna tear it down anyways
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/21/14 08:28 PM
03/21/14 08:28 PM
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Ok I have a few questions.... what was the difference
between the 08 and the 09 engine... for some reason
I get the drift that the 08 is the better engine to
run as a carb engine.... the reason I ask is I would
like to build up a twin turbo gen 3... what parts are
interchangeable between the 08 and 09... or the 5.7
and the 6.1 .. also how do the bores stand up for wear..
I can pick up a 04 5.7 real cheap BUT it has 120K
on the odom.... any thoughts
An 08 is a non VVT engine, same engine used from 03-08, an 09 is VVT, they use different cams which are not interchangeable. The 09 heads are better, probably 30-40 cfm better and are interchangeable. The cranks can physically interchange but the tone rings are different, not that u would use a stock crank with a turbo anyway. It sounds like the 04 block would be the one to use, more cam selection, and apparently the earlier blocks have better wall thickness. 120 K wouldn't be a huge worry, which modern rings and fuel injection the bores are probably fine
Thanks guys..... next question... seems to be a few
09 engines out there... can the 09 with the VVT be
reworked to eliminate the VVT or is it just better
to get a pre 09... I'm looking for a complete engine
to start with
The vvt can be locked out using a cam lockout kit. Kind of pricey but simple enough to fab I think.
I personally think the earlier engine is the way to go. Cams are cheaper and some 5.7 blocks can take .080 over bore. Plus I believe the blocks have better material re hardness to them. They maybe thinner than the average LA block but stronger material and design. Matt
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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head
[Re: misfired]
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10/31/14 05:17 PM
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I've got an 05 under my bench, 190k hone looks decent and NO ridge, I seriously couldn't believe it when I pulled the heads off but bad timing chain made valves bend
I've been saying for years, these motors wear really well.
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