Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Here are a few pictures that I took of the underside of a, early LA built, A66 Challenger's front fenders that I bought from my father in law. My question is do all challenger front fenders look like this, from the underside that is, or is this the infamous Hemi fender? It is pretty weird, not rolled, but actually cut out. According to my BIL, they are original. The car was repainted black, but was origingally Sublime. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Another pic. You can even see my reflection, and cheesy mustache in this one. Actually, they aren't really cut out, but kind of crudely opened up. The car didn't have fender moldings (IE. they were truly deleted) but the pattern kind of matches a wheel molding that I have seen on another A66 posts.
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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That entire bracket was cut out of the fenders of my Dec 69 built Hemi Challenger.
It has wheel lip mouldings - they were slightly hacked as well.
There seems to be a lot of instances where this was and was not done...both in 70 and 71 on Challengers and 'Cuda's. More instances where it was not cut entirely out.
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Not sure what that is. Not a Creative modified Hemi fender.Doesn't look to be the modded stamped Hemi fender.Rib should be gone and the lip's not bent in the right place.Really need a shot from inside to take a better look at the lip.340 car should have std fenders.
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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340 car should have std fenders.
It does, or appears to - to me.
At least the ones I looked at were all the same there. I checked 7 Dodge fenders;
Two original T/A. (15" tires)
1 1970 Hamtramck (14" tires)
Two 1971 Hamtramck (14" tires)
1 1970 LA (14" tires)
1 1970 NOS.
They were all the same in that area, braces intact. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif)
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Sort of like this wheel well trim off my early Hamtramck A66 car. My fenders where rolled and not cut as your picture shows.
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Hemi cars had F-60/15's and A66 cars had E-60/15's.
I don't have my notes and pictures handy right now, so this is off the top of my head...
The regular fender was used on most every car.
Cars with 15" wheels received a spacer (about 1/4 inch thick) between the lower control arm and the bump stop. This kept the larger diameter wheel from hitting that brace inside the fender. Other than that, cars with 15" wheels received the same fenders as cars with 14" wheels.
UNLESS the car had a Hemi. The reason is the TIRE size (not wheel size) that came standard on the Hemi cars, and was not available on other cars. The tire to fender interference was not discovered until production had already begun. Chrysler had the fender vendor make some special "Hemi Fenders" with the fender lip rolled flat along the top of the wheel well opening, and also without that inner fender brace. While these new fenders were on order, something had to be done about the Hemi cars being made. Those cars were sent to creative industries where the wheel was removed, the wheel well trim was removed and cut on a jig that they made, and the fender lips were rolled in with a special pair of pliers that they made, the inside fender brace was cut with a saw, then it was put back together and sent on its way. This was done by hand, so there are lots of variations as to how many inches of lip were rolled. (this information is what I recall of moparts postings from a creative industries employee.) Other than the rolled lip, etc., the Hemi Fenders are the same as the regular fenders, and anyone could make a pair from regular fenders with hand tools. Pictures of originals would help for reference.
The Trans Am cars were supposed to receive special fenders also. This does not seem to have materialized. Numerous people have compared Original Trans Am fenders to other fenders and not found any difference. Although some Trans Am cars did receive the "Hemi Fenders", it was hit and miss. Sometimes they only got the Hemi fender on one side of the car.
Hope that helps clear things up a bit. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif) Tav
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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I've always wondered about what the Hemi fender lip is supposed to look like.Mine looks like somebody just hammered the lip over and cut out the brace with tin snips.I figured the yahoo that bought the car new did it,but maybe not.Does anyone have a picture of what the lip is supposed to look like that they would care to share?Mine are not very accessible right now.
Yes, that sounds like a Hemi Fender to me. Sorry I don't have my pics handy.
The pictures above just look like a regular Challenger fender to me. Same as on my SPD August 1969 318 Challenger. I don't see anything special about them. All regular Challenger fenders have a slightly bent lip as pictured and have a notch on the wheel well trim to match. Barracudas do not have this, but Challengers do.
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That entire bracket was cut out of the fenders of my Dec 69 built Hemi Challenger.
It has wheel lip mouldings - they were slightly hacked as well.
There seems to be a lot of instances where this was and was not done...both in 70 and 71 on Challengers and 'Cuda's. More instances where it was not cut entirely out.
Here is my Dec 69 Hemi Challenger. 16,000 mile, original paint.
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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Sort of like this wheel well trim off my early Hamtramck A66 car. My fenders where rolled and not cut as your picture shows.
That piece of trim looks like it matches up perfectly to the way mine are rolled. I should't have said the fenders were cut, they are actually rolled. You can see around the edges where the fender lip roles in, the whole thing is kind of a smooth curve. It looks just like someone bent it up with a welding pliers, like Mike S. said. Pretty cool really, a little production line fix for an engineering mistake. By the way my SPD was November 6 (B06). Really great info guys, thanks. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Hemi fender or not? (AKA WTx)
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I wish I would have took pictures when we did the fenders but of course we did not.They were not hammered but bent with a modified visegrip welding plier.Two modified welding pliers (different than the bending tool) held the aluminum form on the outside on the fender,one was used to bend them.The wheel lip moulding shown in the picture isn't from a Hemi car as they were discarded on all the Creative modified fenders.It does show how little material was there to start with and that is why they were not put back on the Hemi fenders.
It would go long way if we had the info on build dates.Most cars before about March were done at Creative and after that they were fitted with the factory fender that was restamped to remove the material that needed to go.Those are the second (Hemi fender) tag cars.
Ok,so they weren't hammered,but from the looks of mine they weren't too worried about what it looked like either.Maybe they had a new guy do mine. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) So all of the Creative cars had all 4 of their wheel opening mouldings removed and left off,that would explain why the ones for my car are MIA. Also is it correct to say that the Creative cars did NOT have the "Hemi"(or whatever it said) fender tag? My car did not have that extra tag,and there is no evidence of it ever having been there.BTW the car is a Challenger with an SPD of Nov. 15th.If I get a chance to get over to where the car is this weekend,I'll try to get a picture of the wheel lip,and post it(if I can figure that out). ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) Thanks for all of this info,it's excellent stuff to know.
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