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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: 440Jim]
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02/13/11 11:05 AM
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Did they just put the same description (right or wrong) for all their roller lifters?
That's my understanding. 
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: mac56]
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02/13/11 11:50 AM
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4 years ago,I went through the same thing  I bought the Isky red zones for over $700 and when they finally arrived,there was no hole drilled in the body to allow the pressurized oil into the lifter body  After several phone calls to Isky,I finally get the owner Rich on the phone.He said he could drill the holes and REBUILD MY NEW UNUSED lifters for $150  I reminded him about the advertisement that said" All red zone lifters come with EDM oiling" and why should I pay for thier mistake  His reply was"just send my s*%t back and get a refund.So I did and you will never see an Isky product in my car,,,,,,,,,EVER!!! I went with the comp AMC lifter that has the edm oiling.Just had them rebuilt with this last engine freshen up,they had about 10k miles on them and 50 passes and looked great when they came out!!  I also use the pushrod oiling on the exhaust only with no restricters and the oil pressure was reduced by 15psi at idle.Did the same on a wedge with p/r oiling on all 16 with the same 15psi loss.ARC did install restricters on this rebuild and we will see if that makes a difference in oil pressure   
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: mac56]
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02/13/11 11:55 AM
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I find all the sellers info inaccurate on comp roller lifters. When I looked up those 87019-16 you mentioned on the other post Jim they show a flat tappet and don't mention if it is a solid body and pressure feed wheel.
I just typed that number into the search box on the Comp Cams web site and got the correct roller lifter:
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: 440Jim]
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02/13/11 12:03 PM
02/13/11 12:03 PM
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I find all the sellers info inaccurate on comp roller lifters. When I looked up those 87019-16 you mentioned on the other post Jim they show a flat tappet and don't mention if it is a solid body and pressure feed wheel.
I just typed that number into the search box on the Comp Cams web site and got the correct roller lifter:
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Actually I was referring to summit and jegs Jim I didn't even know comp had there own store. Back to your original point in the big print it says axle oiling N/A then in the fine print it says it is.
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: mac56]
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02/13/11 01:05 PM
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I purchased a new set of 829's back in "07" and again this past year, and there was no diff in the design. Some lifters might have been changed, but more or less a marketing gimmick in my eye's. 
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: hemi-itis]
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02/13/11 02:12 PM
02/13/11 02:12 PM
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4 years ago,I went through the same thing I bought the Isky red zones for over $700 and when they finally arrived,there was no hole drilled in the body to allow the pressurized oil into the lifter body After several phone calls to Isky,I finally get the owner Rich on the phone.He said he could drill the holes and REBUILD MY NEW UNUSED lifters for $150 I reminded him about the advertisement that said" All red zone lifters come with EDM oiling" and why should I pay for thier mistake His reply was"just send my s*%t back and get a refund.So I did and you will never see an Isky product in my car,,,,,,,,,EVER!!! I went with the comp AMC lifter that has the edm oiling.Just had them rebuilt with this last engine freshen up,they had about 10k miles on them and 50 passes and looked great when they came out!! I also use the pushrod oiling on the exhaust only with no restricters and the oil pressure was reduced by 15psi at idle.Did the same on a wedge with p/r oiling on all 16 with the same 15psi loss.ARC did install restricters on this rebuild and we will see if that makes a difference in oil pressure
I had a the same lousy customer service from Crower on their solid roller lifters. And I've had similiar problems with Isky. It seems that neither of those vendors really want to sell Mopar stuff.
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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02/13/11 05:50 PM
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I purchased a new set of 829's back in "07" and again this past year, and there was no diff in the design.
Can somebody make some measurements on a set of Comp roller lifters? It doesn't have to be exact, maybe within 0.005" with a set of calipers would be fine.
I have a set of used lifters (seller said they were 892's and I think they are), the attached are my approx measurements. Specifically, I don't know what Comp uses to define "pushrod seat height"?
The 1.777" number was the biggest points I could think to measure, and the pushrod seat is machined at that point (middle of seat is about flush with top on these lifters). Comp says the 892s have a pushrod seat height of 1.91", wheel dia 0.800"
Comp says 87019s have a pushrod seat height of 1.91"
Comp says the 829s have a pushrod seat height of 1.79"
What ever you have is fine, 829, 892, 87019, etc.
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Re: Comp Roller Lifters - EDM axle oiling
[Re: 440Jim]
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02/14/11 01:26 AM
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Yep It's kinda hard to measure but I took another stab at it. I just took a adjustable 3/8 pushrod and colored the end of it with a white paint stick. I simply measured down to the very upper edge of the white line. Took a quick photo with Thomas the Tank engine's help LOL. This should be how Manton or Smith Bro's measure for "effective length" when ordering push rods? I may be wrong on that however. So its .4375 down from ledge of lifter to the top of the white colored mark in the cup. I went out and got my better set of calipers and re measured a bit. The over all length is 1.9955 maybe advertised as 2" inch over all lifter body length... Anyways it would measure 1.562 from bottom of wheel to the top of the white paint (top of cup)  . so new sketch reads as follows.... Im no good at this stuff so fix it up for me. . 
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