Re: Help picking a cam
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Please define better....and why more lift is needed with stock castings?
Ive already discussed the same subject with Dwayne...
True, it will run real nice with a stock cam.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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with a stock cam.
Ya, how do stockers run so well with sub 500 lift.
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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Relax man!
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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with a stock cam.
Ya, how do stockers run so well with sub 500 lift.
Sorry, I didn't realize the OP is building a Stock/SuperStock car. Must be reading to fast.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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You got me ROTFLMAO... http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/Lobe.htmlDang RB and MP old technology....Sure wish they would have tested some of the newer shiznit grinds. Oh wait...they did... Here, I'm throwing it back at ya!! The update (test page), works WELL for 3500-3600 pound B-bodies. The poster has nearly TWO-TONS of car. The performance of those cams DO NOT relate to his CAR WEIGHT!! Look, I'm not knocking the newer cams, but you fail to realize that WEIGHT effects the perfomance. You can make horsepower, but torque is needed to move the MASS effectively. Want to run HARDER, lighten the car!! THEN, pack in the horsepower. BTW, the RACER BROWN cam looked pretty good, probably the most driveable one of the bunch!
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Re: Help picking a cam
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The performance of those cams DO NOT relate to his CAR WEIGHT!! Look, I'm not knocking the newer cams, but you fail to realize that WEIGHT effects the perfomance.
How do the cams NOT relate to car weight??? Look at the torque #s the RB cam put up.
I think you are not seeing my problem with some of the comments on this thread,and most other cam threads. To make the statement that "this cam, or that cam sucks, is out dated, is a SHi445 pos, etc", is totally ridicoulous.
As you said its all in the combination......I agree that most cam related problems are due to other issues, (compression, converter, advance curve, tuning, etc)
But, as in forphorty's case (whose car is no lighweight, 3600 and change I believe) if I asked 100 people what his car runs with no compression, 3.23s, very little headwork, and a high mileage motor to boot, most generally the answer would be "That cam is too big, it will be a flippin hound" or something along those lines.
Too many blanket statements thrown out on this board that are at best half true.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
[Re: Von]
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with a stock cam.
Ya, how do stockers run so well with sub 500 lift.
Sorry, I didn't realize the OP is building a Stock/SuperStock car. Must be reading to fast.
You got me ROTFLMAO...
http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/Lobe.html
Dang RB and MP old technology....Sure wish they would have tested some of the newer shiznit grinds. Oh wait...they did...
Peace Out!!!
Could you at least post the whole article? I didn't see the part about the sub 500 lift cams.
Andy is a serious asset to the mopar community, I'm honoured to see he recommends the same hydraulic as I do
Glad we can finally agree and move forward.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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Could you at least post the whole article? I didn't see the part about the sub 500 lift cams.
You hittin a crack pipe? Where did I say they tested sub 500 lift cams....
he recommends the same hydraulic as I do
Not so fast there, pundit. Looks like the old school crap RB cam took the honors.... Something to the lines that they could tell the shiznit Comp hyd didnt have the low end that the RB cam had and the dyno backed it up. Hmm, split duration had less torque than the POS old school RB, where have I heard that before?
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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Could you at least post the whole article? I didn't see the part about the sub 500 lift cams.
You hittin a crack pipe? Where did I say they tested sub 500 lift cams....
he recommends the same hydraulic as I do
Not so fast there, pundit. Looks like the old school crap RB cam took the honors.... Something to the lines that they could tell the shiznit Comp hyd didnt have the low end that the RB cam had and the dyno backed it up. Hmm, split duration had less torque than the POS old school RB, where have I heard that before?
BTW, which cam company is high lighted in the sources box??
I'm not going to dwell into Andys article as he would tell you ,which I'm sure you know, every combination is different. I said I like the XE284 over the old comp 292/501. You got agitated. Too bad we couldn't have a dyno shootout in that motor and see.Probably wouldn't end up being that far from each other.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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[quoteI said I like the XE284 over the old comp 292/501. You got agitated. Actually said that the 292 was a shi%%^ old cam. But,no harm no foul. Too bad we couldn't have a dyno shootout in that motor and see.Probably wouldn't end up being that far from each other.
Now back on track, so to speak...
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Help picking a cam
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[quoteI said I like the XE284 over the old comp 292/501. You got agitated.
Actually said that the 292 was a shi%%^ old cam. But,no harm no foul.
Too bad we couldn't have a dyno shootout in that motor and see.Probably wouldn't end up being that far from each other.
Now back on track, so to speak...
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Re: Help picking a cam
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10:1, 2" headers, 4000 stall and 4.10s.
Yep, put a .557 MP cam in it and let it eat.
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