Re: XV Level II big time dissapointment
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02/11/11 11:13 AM
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other one looks differend.
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Re: XV Level II big time dissapointment
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02/11/11 12:19 PM
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The XV product is a very good idea. However, I think the demand has really gone down on the product with the arrival of the new Challenger.
I'm pretty sure the guy who runs XV is just a business man; not a designer. I'm also pretty sure that the whole XV product design came from under a Sean Hyland Motorsports restomod Mustang.
I have been in Seans' showroom and looked over the Mustang that sports a very similar setup. Also, he had several XV Challengers in various states of completetion at the shop.
SHM charges a minimum of $125,000 for a XV car, and up to $175,000. I have the pictures on my phone; just don't know how to get them off and post.
SHM had a body shop at one time building the XV cars, but that was closed up shortly after the new Challengers became a hit.
So, the quality issues are likely due to whoever is doing the work producing the XV components at this time. If SHM is still involved, the quality should be first rate.
Too many cars, too many parts, too little coin, too little space to work in, too little time left to make it all happen!
Update: down to one ride, still too many parts, a little more jingle in the pocket, gaining space, and it's going to happen this year!
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Re: XV Level II big time dissapointment
[Re: racealittle]
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02/11/11 12:54 PM
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The XV product is a very good idea. However, I think the demand has really gone down on the product with the arrival of the new Challenger.
I'm pretty sure the guy who runs XV is just a business man; not a designer.
Regardless of what the guy who runs XV is, these are the most detailed pics I have seen of the alum k member design, and how anyone can accept a non robust, non gusseted, stock material shaped, constantly reverse loaded, significantly stressed, non reduntant alum welded daily street driven high performance suspension piece is beyond me. It is simplely a matter of time before cracking in the HAZ welds occurs. Its a neat idea that will likely fail.
An alum roll bar would likely be just as practical.
As extra clarification to my :
"Non Robust"- Nothing heavy duty about it
"Non Gusseted"- no gussets`used to reinforce stressed connections
"Stock material"- off the shelf shapes, ie nothing custom extruded for the intended loads
"constant reverse loaded"- any material when loaded alternately in opposite directions fatiques much quicker then when loaded in only one direction
"significantly stressed"- a mopar K member is likely stressed
"non redundant"- if this part fails, very bad things happen quickly, not like say if one lug bolt fails
"Alum"- every grade of alum fatiques over time when stressed
"welded"- welding alum changes any heat treatment properties of parent material, and does so in a small area leading to a HAZ, leading to area likely to fail first when repeatedly loaded over time
"daily street driven"- constant use over less then ideal unforeseen surfaces
"high performance"- this is moparts
"Suspension piece"- see all above
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Re: XV Level II big time dissapointment
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02/11/11 01:04 PM
02/11/11 01:04 PM
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Regardless of what the guy who runs XV is, these are the most detailed pics I have seen of the alum k member design, and how anyone can accept a non robust, non gusseted, stock material shaped, constantly reverse loaded, significantly stressed, non reduntant alum welded daily street driven high performance suspension piece is beyond me. It is simplely a matter of time before cracking in the HAZ welds occurs. Its a neat idea that will likely fail.
Thank you
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Re: XV Level II big time dissapointment
[Re: racealittle]
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02/11/11 01:14 PM
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The XV product is a very good idea. However, I think the demand has really gone down on the product with the arrival of the new Challenger.
I'm pretty sure the guy who runs XV is just a business man; not a designer. I'm also pretty sure that the whole XV product design came from under a Sean Hyland Motorsports restomod Mustang.
I have been in Seans' showroom and looked over the Mustang that sports a very similar setup. Also, he had several XV Challengers in various states of completetion at the shop.
SHM charges a minimum of $125,000 for a XV car, and up to $175,000. I have the pictures on my phone; just don't know how to get them off and post.
SHM had a body shop at one time building the XV cars, but that was closed up shortly after the new Challengers became a hit.
So, the quality issues are likely due to whoever is doing the work producing the XV components at this time. If SHM is still involved, the quality should be first rate.
i think it is a good idea too, and i did do my reseach before i did buy it, i did want to buy witch was the best and all i got was tons of extra labor.. i think we can make everything fit but in what cost.. those guys should do they homework and double check everything and if this kind of thing happens.. just say sorry and try to fix it way that client would be happy. i do hope the actual desing is way better that the building skill`s these guys have. the corvette parts etc. factory made pieces are quite nice but that has nothing to do with them..it is just ordering prosess. i will post more when my project goes forward.
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