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did radio delete cars come with antenna's? #917572
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Just wondering, got a 70 RR with antenna but no radio....Thanks all.

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If a radio was not ordered, no antenna.

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I've had/have '66, '67 and '68 Mopars, all without radios, all without antennae.
Maybe '70 was different?

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Ive had 2 1972 road runners radio delete..No antenna...Plus there is a plug on the cowl behind the fender that blocks off the antennas rout to the radio...


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Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #917576
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Wasn't a radio an extra cost OPTION ???

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Exactly. A radio was an option, not standard. Therefore, no "delete"


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Wasn't a radio an extra cost OPTION ???


We have a winner! Can't delete something that was a option.

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What did they use to cover the antenna hole in the fender?

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No radio, no antenna, no hole for the antenna to plug.

It seems like that changed around 1975-76 though.

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Interesting!! So on a radio delete car, there was a special fender without the hole?? Was there ever a part # for a fender for a radio delete car? Like an AAR Cuda RF fender? How about the RR 1/4 for an AAR or a T/A? Were the holes cut at the factory, or did they stamp special 1/4's?


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I worked for a Chrysler Dealer while I was in high school during the mid to late 50's, most or all cars came without an antenna mounted in the fender even if they came with a radio. The antenna with a mounting template was in the trunk of the car. We drilled the fender and mounted the antenna on those new cars. Idea behind it was that cars coming to the dealer with an antenna would be vandalized and the antenna broken off while in transit.

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Interesting!! So on a radio delete car, there was a special fender without the hole?? Was there ever a part # for a fender for a radio delete car?




I think the fenders were made without the hole standard - I have an NOS one for my 70 Duster - no hole in it.


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So, theres no R code on the tag but there is an antenna. So whats the story with this car?

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Assembly plant?

Lynch Road as one example did not code the radio on the tag.

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Interesting!! So on a radio delete car, there was a special fender without the hole?? Was there ever a part # for a fender for a radio delete car?




I think the fenders were made without the hole standard - I have an NOS one for my 70 Duster - no hole in it.




So they cut & notched the fenders at the assembly plant? I dunno............


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Interesting!! So on a radio delete car, there was a special fender without the hole?? Was there ever a part # for a fender for a radio delete car?




I think the fenders were made without the hole standard - I have an NOS one for my 70 Duster - no hole in it.




So they cut & notched the fenders at the assembly plant? I dunno............




Not notched - mine has the mounting spot formed in, just no hole cut.


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Assembly plant?

Lynch Road as one example did not code the radio on the tag.




This one is from Newark DE, Plant code 6. This car is a vert if that make a differance.

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friends 72 Sebring was radio delete and no hole on the fender at all.


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1973 Satellite wagon,Windsor built.
Radio delete,factory plug in fender.
I had seen 1972 models with the same plug when no radio.



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This thread is interesting to me because I have a 74 RR/GTX that was radio delete. It has what appears to be a factory antenna. It doesn't appear that the fender was ever changed.

I have always wondered what's up with that?

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'68 Roadrunner here, no radio optioned. No hole in its original fender. BS sheet is blank for radio items. St. Louis car, SPD 9/30/67.

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Just in case anyone is curious - 70/71 dusty Duster fender

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Dude can you get some good pictures of that plug top, bottom, inside, out, etc? I want to make or get one if possible.

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1973 Satellite wagon,Windsor built.
Radio delete,factory plug in fender.
I had seen 1972 models with the same plug when no radio.

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Assembly plant?

Lynch Road as one example did not code the radio on the tag.




This one is from Newark DE, Plant code 6. This car is a vert if that make a differance.




But you said;

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Just wondering, got a 70 RR with antenna but no radio....Thanks all.




No Road Runners from Newark, DE - so now I am confused.

Could the "6" be a G for St. Louis perhaps?

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I worked for a Chrysler Dealer while I was in high school during the mid to late 50's, most or all cars came without an antenna mounted in the fender even if they came with a radio. The antenna with a mounting template was in the trunk of the car. We drilled the fender and mounted the antenna on those new cars. Idea behind it was that cars coming to the dealer with an antenna would be vandalized and the antenna broken off while in transit.


Late 60,s thru mid 70,s they came in like that. Some hack,s used a punch to go thru the firewall for the cable.

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Their would be no reason for the factory to waste parts (and money) by installing an antenna and cable on a car that was not built with a radio.
Perhapes at some point in the cars life , someone has installed a radio (and antenna), perhapes even a dealer installed unit .

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Maybe somebody replaced the fender at some point. Could have been same color and would you know?

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My 72 duster has no radio or antennae or hole.


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Any NOS fenders I've ever had did not have the hole cut thru.

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This is sorta of a brand "X" story but my parents bought a new 1983 Olds Delta 88 and my father ordered the car with out a radio so he could put his own brand in it.
That car didn't have anything for a radio, the fender wasn't drilled and none of the wiring was in the car or any speakers. Needless to say it was a pain to put a radio in and my mother nearly had a heart attack watching my father drill a hole in the fender for the antenna.

So knowing that 1983 didn't come with anything I could see the older stuff not having it as well.

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i started working in a plymouth dealer body shop in 77 at the age of 14 1/5 so my memory may not be perfect.
when you got a new fender from chrysler almost none of them were drilled for antennas. there were markings on the back of the fender but there were no holes. i have replaced several 68- 70 b body 70-74 E bodies, 68-76 a bodies. some volare fenders started to have holes in them almost all of the horizons. if i remember correctly if you ordered a volare without a antenna there was a plug in the hole. i know horizons without radios had plugs in the hole also.


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I will look at the tag again, it might be a G.

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My '73 340 Duster did not have a radio from the factory. The hole in the fender appeared to be original since there was an additional notch to prevent the bezel from spinning. The original paint was still on the car when I bought it in '84 but had an aftermarket antenna mast installed.
So I think all the '73 A-body fenders were stamped regardless of radio or not.

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correct me if I'm wrong .did any 66 Coronets come with antenna mounted on pass. side rear quarter ? My 500 had its antenna mounted on the quarter round hole with little notch in it . When I restored the 500, the pass side fender also had a hole with notch but there was a plug that was almost punched out but still connected next to the little notch.
looks like the plug was then leaded in.

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I have had several NOS antennae package kits and they came with a template to drill the fenders...Barracuda...

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On a few original window stickers I have seen from 70-73 A bodies, even if it had a radio, it was not coded there on the window sticker.
I know the b/c sheet and/or fender tag would have it, but why not on the window sticker since it would be an ordered extra cost option to add to the total.

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I had a '63 Dodge Polara 4 door that didn't come from the factory with a radio and there was no hole in the fender.

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I had a 68 Dart GTS that didn't come from the factory with a radio and it had a plug in the fender just like the one on the 73 Satellite fender shown in the picture above.

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Would a radio delete car have come with a speaker? If not what was used under the dash to close off the speaker hole ?

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All the NOS fenders will come with no hole for thew antenna...Service parts were stamped for up to ten years after the model year...Instead of having to fill a hole its easier to cut it out obviously...There is a special rubber plug for the inner fender if its without radio too..Year One sells them..And even if it was without radio the speaker was still installed in the dash..


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Maybe parts books would clear this "hole" thing up about replacement fenders, plugs etc..

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My '74 and '79 Dodge Vans did not come with radios and there is no speaker in the dash. They are RV cutaways though. My '78 D150 didn't come with an radio or an antenna. Someone added an aftermarket and put the antenna on the windshield pillar. No hole in the fender.

My '64 Dodge wagon did not come from the factory with a radio but the dealer installed one when new. It's go the correct AM radio and speaker and antenna but they put the antenna on the driver's side fender. No hole in the passenger fender. Maybe the Coronet with rear mounted antenna was a dealer installed setup as well.


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Funny, my 1968 Dodge Dart project is a radio car but there is no antenna or speakers. It's on the fender tag too. Strange

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Funny, my 1968 Dodge Dart project is a radio car but there is no antenna or speakers. It's on the fender tag too. Strange




Remember the GM experiment that failed? Antennae in the windshield.


Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: sassysixpack1] #917617
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Would a radio delete car have come with a speaker? If not what was used under the dash to close off the speaker hole ?




1970 E-bodies with no radio still got the grille in the dash pad, but it had a black cardboard insert under in instead of the speaker.

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #917618
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Would a radio delete car have come with a speaker? If not what was used under the dash to close off the speaker hole ?




1970 E-bodies with no radio still got the grille in the dash pad, but it had a black cardboard insert under in instead of the speaker.




Thanks Barry, does the same apply for a '70 B Body ?

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: Rug_Trucker] #917619
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Funny, my 1968 Dodge Dart project is a radio car but there is no antenna or speakers. It's on the fender tag too. Strange




Remember the GM experiment that failed? Antennae in the windshield.






Wow, I just realized how stupid I was. It was on the front passenger side quarter panel, not the rear. I walked right past it. Duh!!!

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: MuuMuu101] #917620
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Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: MuuMuu101] #917621
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Funny, my 1968 Dodge Dart project is a radio car but there is no antenna or speakers. It's on the fender tag too. Strange




Remember the GM experiment that failed? Antennae in the windshield.







They (GM) worked great with an FM booster. My older brother had a 72 RR and no radio, BUT!!!! it did
have a kick A$$ 8 track! I don't know how many times I ran the battery dead listening to the Stones, or Cream. Radio sucked back then anyways.


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Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: BDS871Cuda] #917622
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OK, so the tag on this car shows no radio, so It just wasnt ordered with one correct. It wasnt deleted?

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #917623
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OK, so the tag on this car shows no radio, so It just wasnt ordered with one correct. It wasnt deleted?




St. Lois built car , pretty sure it should have been on the tag so ...

You can NOT delete an extra cost option , so yes it was NOT deleted it was just not ORDERED.

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: JohnRR] #917624
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So to be right the fender needs to be welded up and the speaker removed from the dash.

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #917625
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So to be right the fender needs to be welded up and the speaker removed from the dash.




yes

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: JohnRR] #917626
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My GTX had the antenna hole drilled way out of proper position. I could barely reach it to get the base out of the fender while I was working on it. I have no idea if the fender was ever replaced or not.

Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: 68Cbarge] #917627
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1973 Satellite wagon,Windsor built.
Radio delete,factory plug in fender.
I had seen 1972 models with the same plug when no radio.





OH MAN! that is one cool car! I learned to drive with a 3 on the tree. Alot of kids have never laid eyes on a car with it.


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Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: NAS Backyard] #917628
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My Savoy still had the original paint when I got it and No hole in the fender and radio delete
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Re: did radio delete cars come with antenna's? [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #917629
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this is what my dart sport came with. a plastic plug where the antenna would have been.





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