440 into a '65 "B" body?
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I may have to be doing this for a friend of mine in the near future. His 383 is VERY tight to the passenger side shock tower. Will the 440 go in without major mod's? What about engine mounts? Give me some items to look for based on your personal experiences. Thanks, Larry
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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A 440 should bolt in the same as the 383 . A 440 wouldn't be any different that an original 426 wedge. The exhaust may be slightly different.
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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What about oil pan, engine mounts,and I can tell you, #4 and especially #6 sparkplugs, are a pain in the rear to change with the 383. Won't the shock tower need modified? Thanks for the help, Larry
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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The oil pan and mounts will be the same. This is an easy swap. No, you won't have to modify the shock towers.
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'38 Plymouth 4Dr - 408SixPack, A518, Dana60 4:10
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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The oil pan and mounts will be the same. This is an easy swap. No, you won't have to modify the shock towers.
The oil pan is different from 66 and up,the 65 and earlier pan have 5" from the sump to the front edge of the pan.There are some later pans the will work but not all.This is an original Max Wedge pan,front is same as early big block pan.If it doesn't look like this it will not fit with the original K member.Also if you use a later K member it moves the motor back about 1 1/2" requiring relocating the transmission cross member
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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Also, remember the RB is taller than the B block by about an inch.. clearance on that side should be better.
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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If you have any concerns at all about oil pan clearance, now would be the time to notch your K-member. Then any oil pan will work.
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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My 65 500 has a 440 in it. No fit issues. I have the 2" TTI headers and 3" exhaust and no fit issues. A couple of the plugs are interesting to do but sometimes that happens regardless of what its in. A good variety of wrenches, sockets etc. will help. When I put the headers in, I didn't even have to jack up the engine. Just removed the mini starter. It has a console shift 727 in case that matters.
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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I used a 69 - 73 C-body pan on my 440. Again, since you've got a 383 in it now you've got a pan that fits.
If you swap the K frame you might have interference issues with the steering column mounted shifter.
I did this with the stock K-frame:
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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Here is the 440 block in my 63. Yes the pass side is tighter because as you know the eng is not centered with the frame rails since they build them this way. I can tell you I can change my plugs in 15 minutes as long as the eng is cold. The only way I change them hot it with these long welder type gloves I have but I usually never change them when it's hot unless I am trouble shooting a problem. Here is a pic of my 440 in my 63. I have the stock K-frame and eng mounts. Ron PS: I use a Moroso 8 qt pan that fits great and you dont have to modify anything.
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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My 440 has been in my 65 since 70.The plugs on the pass side are tight with the 2 inch TTIs.I used a stock 66 440 oil pan for yesr and no problems.I have the Moroso 8 qt for 66 up on it now and its been on 15 years.Just had to notch a tiny piece on the pass side of K for added clearance.The 440 will probally rip the cheap rubber mounts.I used to tear them up in a month.I went poly from Imperial Services and no problems in 7 years.Rocky
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Re: 440 into a '65 "B" body?
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Thanks guys for the info. I'm starting to feel more comfortable about this. Thanks again, Larry
4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight
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