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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: 3wracing]
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01/25/11 09:23 PM
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RapidRobert
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I haven't but see if you can retrieve prior threads about em so you can make a (better) informed decision on which housing to purchase
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: 3wracing]
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01/25/11 11:01 PM
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The aluminum water pump housing sold by 440source and pro-comp, made in China has smaller water passages.. Some were complaining about its inability to kool effectively. A thread was posted a couple of months back comparing that one to the Mopar Performance version. Just my $0.02... 
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: Sinitro]
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01/25/11 11:06 PM
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RapidRobert
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There's one for sale in either the bb or the race section right now for $50 (looks new) & if the offending passages (if they are bad on all of em) can be reached (& have enough material) to be opened up I'd be on it. Has dr inlet
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: RapidRobert]
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01/26/11 10:49 AM
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The 440source WP has the cast vanes (I think) that don't really bite into the coolant like the stamped steel vanes.
I have a new one w the curved vanes & I think it says "cat". Is this the one
Someone needs to came up with a flow meter to gauge the out put or through put of the different water pumps and housing combinations.
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: 3wracing]
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01/26/11 11:08 AM
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I had one on my expensive stroker motor because i thought hay i could say a buck and the way the advertising is on the source web sight is that they sell good performing quality parts .
Well i am here to tell you that i will never cheep out on any part again when i build my cars because this 60 or 40 dollar part cost me a 400 dollar radiator because the whole internal shaft came out about 1/2 inch and my seven blade mopar clutch fan blades flexed out and ate the radiator .
After words i called the source and the said their was nothing they could do . really OK
now i have a made in USA edelbrock high flow pump the 120 dollar one and never had the problem again , i also have two other big block cars with the edelbrock pump and it is by far the best i have used .
like the old saying gos you get what you pay for !
1969 Dodge Charger
1969 Dodge Superbee
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: cjs69mope]
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01/26/11 11:27 AM
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read the post a few months back how people moved away from the 440S pump & housing. I didnt wanna be a victim. I sold it without hesitation. Almost got all my money back. I just bought a Mancini pump and housing based on recommendations. I have other 440Source parts, but those parts were from back in the day when Brandon was starting out from his garage in the Valley. I think he has become to popular and his QA has decreased. Times are tough, he should know people buy parts and stockpile them until we finish a motor. To have the shaft shear off and the fan get pushed into the radiator, he should have helped out with that. Its not like torquing 4 bolts onto the housing caused that shaft to shear. He sold the part...stand behind it.
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: Pyper70]
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01/26/11 11:45 AM
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The OP is asking about the housing, not the actual pump. I have one of their older aluminum housings on my stroker motor. I thought I had eliminated the restriction issue by opening up the slight mis-match where it bolts to the head so it matched the gaskets. But, I was informed that the overheating issue is reportedly caused from a reduced diameter 90 degree bend deep inside the pump. Mine were normal sized, as compared to the Mopar cast iron housing; but I did have to massage the water neck's bolt holes, as the housing ones were ever so slightly too close together.
I just got the car out on the road after a short hiatus of....saaayyyyy, about 30 years; and it's shown no signs of overheating as of yet. It does seem to go lots faster and get worse gas milage than it did before. It's gotta be that darn housing!
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
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01/26/11 12:03 PM
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I use one and its fine. Use a good water pump though. The 440source WP has the cast vanes (I think) that don't really bite into the coolant like the stamped steel vanes. An AC WP (8 vanes, might not be bad either)
I think the WP causes more problems than the 440source housing.
I use an Eddy WP on mine, but I think I will be replacing it soon--its starting to puke from the shaft seal.
Greg,the A/C pump is six blade,not eight. 
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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01/26/11 03:25 PM
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Greg,the A/C pump is six blade,not eight
People automatically assume that in order to solve an overheating problem you have to move the coolant through faster. In reality, slowing it down will allow it to cool more. Hence fewer blades on the a/c pump. This also leads to the issue with the 440source pumps - where the 90* has the smaller., restricted passage. While people are quick to put blame here they should be looking elsewhere, thermostat, pump, rad size, etc..
The cooling system, like anything else, has to have matched components to function properly. The pump body is the least of your worries other than having the bolt holes in the right place!
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: Stanton]
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01/26/11 03:43 PM
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Have one on my 512... no problesm and my car is a street car...
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: Stanton]
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01/26/11 04:10 PM
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While people are quick to put blame here they should be looking elsewhere, thermostat, pump, rad size, etc..
The cooling system, like anything else, has to have matched components to function properly. The pump body is the least of your worries other than having the bolt holes in the right place!
Hey my reasoning is I live so far away from manufacturers that I don't want to be a statistic and waiting on parts for 60 days to arrive.
At the present moment I have the factory housing and AC pump. 26" 4-core radiator, 160º thermostat, clutch fan, tranny cooler, and a factory trans. pan. I cruise at 180º on the road. I think once I swap to the deep sump trans pan, the trans will cool a little better, more heat can bleed off of the engine block. Slip on the new housing and pump, run the edelbrock heads. I might gain at least 10º decrease on the temperature. I have a bottle of Royal Purple for the cooling system as well but saving as a last resort.
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: ireland383]
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01/26/11 05:58 PM
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As I posted previously on this I have the Cat housing, identical to the Source one and car won't get above 180 in 100 degree temps in traffic. I agree that something else in the coolant system is not right.
I really wish I could remember what housing I have. I didn't get it from Source but I bet it comes from the same foundry. Maybe not. I recall paying 130-150 for it 6-8 years ago.
My car never runs hot. I do however have an Edelbrock pump. I have had two cars I used them on and they really work well.
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Re: aluminim water pump housing
[Re: Teamx]
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01/28/11 12:41 PM
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You could be right....but if I can put my index finger in with extra room on a stock port...and not even my pinky fits into an aftermarket port, something is up there.
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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