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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911565
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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: BradD] #911566
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An amazing amount of work in restoring a car as you already know. Your work looks great. My only concern for you is that the fenders and the tail light buckets were mounted with seam sealer before painting. Front fender seams oozed out and was painted. Rear buckets were mounted and the seam sealer that oozed out was wiped leaving a seam that also was painted. There isn't anyway to reproduce that look without painting after mounting.
Sorry to mention it but that the way they were done.

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #911567
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I recall restoring my first land cruiser. Wrong colors here and there, incorrect year pieces, etc.. It took me a good 2-3 cruisers to be able to restore them accurately. I am even working as we speak on a 1981 BJ42, which is a diesel 40 series. Never sold in the USA. So, I have to source parts from Canada primarily as well as Australia and New Zealand. Very difficult.

With that being said, I know that in many respects I am f'ing this RoadRunner up. However, I am fixing all of the bits mentioned the best I can. I'll never sell this car. Maybe even in 10-15 years I'll tear it down and do it again after I have learned more.

Sometimes I regret posting projects because the negative feedback outweighs the positive.

Anyhow, little by little I have removed the nuts holding the heater on as well as the wiper motor and they are now the requested anodized gold or whatever it was.

Same with the shock mount tower bushings, removed, repainted the well top, and installed a new bushing. I'll do the same with the clutch boot as well as the inner fender filler pieces up front.

Sorry this isn't concourse, but in my eyes it is, and I'm having fun.

-dallas




Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #911568
01/27/11 12:14 PM
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Judging by the wheels, the car's not going to be stock anyways...I think it looks fantastic and more importantly the project is actually moving in a forward direction...
If you hang around enough, you'll find guys on here that take years to do what you've accomplished in a short time..

You might get better response if you ask details about specific parts that you WANT to learn about, that way we won't be so rough on you for the other little nick-picking things


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911569
01/27/11 12:20 PM
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With that being said, I know that in many respects I am f'ing this RoadRunner up. However, I am fixing all of the bits mentioned the best I can. I'll never sell this car. Maybe even in 10-15 years I'll tear it down and do it again after I have learned more.

Sometimes I regret posting projects because the negative feedback outweighs the positive.

Sorry this isn't concourse, but in my eyes it is, and I'm having fun.

-dallas





in my eyes, you are not f'ing this up in the least, you are doing it a great service! you can't expect to go into something like this the first time and know everything. if you want to do concourse, you have to be wiling to spend an insane amount of hours trying to figure out what is "correct", and even then two of the most respected sources can tell you two completely different things.

most of the people here will give you positive feedback, just because someone's writing style may come across as harsh, doesn't mean their intention is. for those that give negative feedback, well... f'k em. this is your car, to do with what you want. there are many people who do things with their cars that many others don't "approve" of, but they do it because it is their car, and that is what they want from it. done.

restore the car, learn as you go, do what you want, and it will be what you want, (and a damn nice car by the looks of things so far), and you will be happy with it.

and by all means keep on posting!

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: anlauto] #911570
01/27/11 12:21 PM
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Oh no, I love learning, even the little nit-picky things. I enjoy that too. Next time around the sequence will be different and I have been taking notes and creating a scrapbook of all things correct.

I guess I just easily get deflated. Poor me sometimes, you know?

I am really excited to be moving forward and have a plan.

Wiring harness is supposed to show up either today or tomorrow.

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911571
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I'm having fun.




And THAT is all that matters. Don't let anybody rain on your parade. However, if you really do want to learn about restoring Mopars, I'd suggest spending some time looking around on Alan's website.

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911572
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I like the color!!

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911573
01/27/11 02:29 PM
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......constructive criticism.





Hi Dallas! The car looks Fantastic and it appears you are having fun as the project progresses. Keep in mind that some people have about as much credibility to "criticize" you, as Ed Norton has the right to tell people how dumb they are! Keep up the great work!!

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: ECS] #911574
01/27/11 03:37 PM
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Car looks great and you're doing a fabulous job. I love the color; the wheels not so much, but they're easy to change!

I guess I'd say that posting resto pics on here isn't for the thin skinned! Make it known whether you want constructive criticism or not. Are your trying to make the car look semi correct and want advice or are you making a hotrod (which is fine) and prefer to do it your way.

Unless you are Dave W (ECS), then your resto is just like everyone else's: an attempt to replicate a factory look.......with the exception noted some get closer than others but ALL have some detail that is less than perfect so you certainly shouldn't get discouraged.

The pic someone posted previously is good info. If you are trying for a factory(ish) look, some of the common mistakes on I see on many cars are;

- trunk painted wrong (usually black or splatter paint ala GM)
- trunk and floor plugs not cut or installed
- black engine bays
- black hood hinges
- no wheel well undercoating
- body color inspection plates
- body colored upper control arm bolts/nuts/washers
- no rad support blackout
- painted or incorrectly finished hood and trunk latches and springs
- incorrect fasteners (lots of decent kits available to stop you from having to use hardware store variety bolts, screws, etc.)
- battery trays not painted body color
- master cylinders and/or boosters finished incorrectly
- ugly 3spd wiper motors.
- parts store rad cap
- gear hose clamps
- generic battery

....and of course many others but those ones stick out to me.

Good luck with the build and as I said; car looks fabulous. There is a link to my Superbee resto in my signature; take a look and feel free to critique away! There are some mistakes I made before I knew better and there are some purposely done for a variety of reasons.

Ultimately, there are lots of knowledgeable and helpful guys here, so when you want to know something, just ask.


Dave


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: RJS] #911575
01/27/11 04:54 PM
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You have done exceptional work there!!! Since I see you are very talented before installing the engine correct a couple of small things in the engine compartment: Take the voltage regulator bracket off firewall along with clutch boot and that wire and the heater box and 3 nuts off wiper studs throttle cable and shock bushings and anything else that unbolts and touchup. With a car that fine you'll be happy you did it now and not later.




Hi again, since I was the first to tell you of incorrect but easily fixed items I figured I should respond:

From the look of your workmanship I pale in comparison so don't take anything I said as bad. Reread what I wrote to see I started with praise because that is what is due. I didn't want you to install the motor and then have to tape and cover stuff as your in there with a detail gun. OH and by the way I dig the wheels too!! Ron

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: DPelletier] #911576
01/28/11 12:27 AM
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Car looks great and you're doing a fabulous job. I love the color; the wheels not so much, but they're easy to change!

- battery trays not painted body color





Question fellas:

So if the battery tray is body color, is the hardware gold anodized? Is there a mat or something that goes under the battery? What about a hold-down?

I am missing all of those pieces, so I am just curious.

-dallas

PS. Thoughts on this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Plym...sQ5fAccessories


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911577
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Fellas,

Another update.

First, as you read in my post from earlier today I have been fixing and applying all of your recommendations that pertain to "correctness" and yes - I am trying to be correct, yet add a hot-rod flare.

I blacked out the radiator support.

I taped off and fixed the frame rails:







Next, I used this template to mask off my hood:



taped off (my buddy Clarence, who is helping me on the project):



I used OEM Organosol Black:





Also, let me know what you guys think on that ebay battery tray deal in my last post.

G'night

dallas

Looking good?


Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911578
01/28/11 10:28 AM
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Question on the radiator support blackout.... are the ineer fender wells to be blacked out as well?


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: JMCFAN] #911579
01/28/11 10:35 AM
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Really loving the colour.

Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: CDN72SE] #911580
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go here i look roadrunner nest.com at the 71 gtx pics blackout behind the grill was replicated from what the cars original blackout looked like.

Its not all black, its the same way as my '71 GTX. I dont know about 1970, but mine is the exact same way before I painted it.

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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: dmaddox] #911581
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Where did you get the orginsal paint?


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: JMCFAN] #911582
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As far as the hold down stuff it is correct but can't comment on price. Install battery tray and paint bolts and all. Not the battery holddown rods or nuts or top piece.

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Good job.. Love the color and pictures of the sheetmetal repair..


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Re: dmaddox's 1970 RoadRunner Restoration (first Mopar) [Re: RJS] #911584
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As far as the hold down stuff it is correct but can't comment on price. Install battery tray and paint bolts and all. Not the battery holddown rods or nuts or top piece.






....Looking good!

Dave

Oh and no, no mat under the battery.

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