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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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It's 1/4 AZZ clowns.
And it is easy if you pull you head out of 1969!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Dirt called and is wanting his Van back.
I was reading all this and when I got to this I couldnt stop laughing that is just plain funny. Sorry 
Joe Dirt would be so envious of my van. He would see my Easter Van-in 77 and my Florida's Van Spring 78 stickers on the wall and want to buy it on the spot.
Just to bring Keven Bacon's six degrees into the thread. The blond in Joe Dirt, along with her twin sister were students in my wife's math class.
As you can see I've done a little racing over the years. You can see by the decals that I raced NHRA up until 95. Up until that time I worked for NHRA getting the track ready for Gatornationals. The more I was around the upper levels of NHRA management the more they made me PO'd. The different divisions in NHRA were always at each other with power trips, throw in Holt, the division director and I had my fill. I decided to take my racing money elsewhere.
I believed if the Board could figure out how to make money without having to put up with the racers and the spectators they would have done it in a heartbeat.
In time my thoughts came to pass, the Board tried to sell the Pro side of NHRA but the HD corporation stockholders voted the purchase down. I'm sure it took them a while to figure out how to cash out NHRA a company that they totally controlled but didn't own. Have any of you thought about what NHRA would be like if the sale had gone though and the Sportsman side of NHRA and the museum would be on their own?
Why did the Board of directors bring in a corporate takeover attorney to the board? Instead they could have selected someone like Bill Bader or Pat Jefferion who knows how to satisfy their customers and has some skin in the game? Even Monty Smith would give them good insight on the board.
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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One of the members here some years ago did a pull
test on numerous old belt sets he had gathered, some
looked good, some were dirty BUT not a single set
broke the strap material... EVERYONE broke the hardware.
So just for kicks I did a couple of pull test on some
of my old sets at work... I wanted to see how the
failures were occurring on the hardware... as in
his testing, my testing showed the hardware failed
first...... but in ALL cases the force needed to
break the hardware was MUCH greater than the human
body can withstand
Exactly!  And many rules imposed are resultant of lawsuits lost/won in the aftermath of an accident.
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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Race-Cars setting out in the sun for 2 years. That went out with the Flint-Stones racers years ago.  Some people just don't understand the cost that goes into our Race-Cars. You have got to have a shop to keep it in and work on it,tools,always some high $$$ part to buy to keep it runnig,fuel for the race-car & tow truck(anyone priced that lately)entry fees. Add all that up and you will understand why it is such a burden to update seat belts every 2 years alone with other things. 
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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One of the members here some years ago did a pull
test on numerous old belt sets he had gathered, some
looked good, some were dirty BUT not a single set
broke the strap material... EVERYONE broke the hardware.
So just for kicks I did a couple of pull test on some
of my old sets at work... I wanted to see how the
failures were occurring on the hardware... as in
his testing, my testing showed the hardware failed
first...... but in ALL cases the force needed to
break the hardware was MUCH greater than the human
body can withstand
Exactly! And many rules imposed are resultant of lawsuits lost/won in the aftermath of an accident.
I asked a track owner that ran multiple tracks in different states about insurance and SFI and this was his answer.
"the state mandates insurance regulations,,not nhra or ihra and they do not vary much from one track to another.....nhra requires all sfi regulations, some of which i dont agree with...different states do require different insurance policies...premiums almost double if you are an ihra or nhra track.. thanks,"
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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01/22/11 01:29 PM
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Most of the safety related rules are a result of something happening or nearly happening and the reaction to that. Others are a response to cars going quicker and faster all the time or the availability of new technology. How many 7 second dragsters were bracket racing 20 years ago? Cars are rapidly evolving and the rules have to keep up. A national organization that can keep up with the information and respond with a change in rules and guidelines is the best way to do that.
NHRA's safety rules are developed with the worst case scenario in mind. Maybe your belts are OK after 2 years, but somewhere there is a 350lb. knucklehead who's belts have drug on the ground, had weld sparks all over them, been left in the rain or in an area of high ozone and this is the guy who needs to change his belts out. Somewhere, somebody built a car with exhaust pipe, regardless what the rule book said, and killed or crippled himself. Now we all have to change our belts out and have our cages inspected. NHRA is not interested, for many reasons, in the racer or local tech guy, or lack of, making those decisions.
If a failure or an accident happens once, it can happen again. Often, we don't know what incident triggered a specific rule change. Look at Top Fuel and Funny Car, the accidents that have occurred there, and the response to those in the rules. We know about those because of the "stars" who were involved. Do you think Billy Bob getting killed at some po-dunk track in the woods, because his cage came apart or his WalMart helmet split in half will get any attention on the other side of the country?
People getting hurt or killed is bad for all of us. It's bad publicity, it closes race tracks, it makes insurance premiums go up and it takes money from the sport and gives it to lawyers. Say what you will about their business practices, but without NHRA leading the way on safety guidelines for cars, tracks, driver, etc., the sport would look very different, if it existed at all.
My cars were always legal and I didn't b*&#h and cry about the rules, because I figure that somebody, somewhere may know more than I do. My choice was as simple as yours, do what the rule book says or park it and get yourself a street car.
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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Race-Cars setting out in the sun for 2 years. That went out with the Flint-Stones racers years ago.
It was purely a hypothetical eluding to the effects of UV rays....not to be taken in the literal sense Mr. Slate. Now get back to your quarry! 
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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Any discussion about NHRA always comes back to the seat belt rule. How long has this been in effect? Aren't we over it yet? Do you know why that rule came to be? Do some research.
I'm still waiting to be informed on how this rule came to be. 
I won't get over it. I starts all over again every time I throw $120 in the trash can for no legitimate reason.
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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MrMopar, said he would never put substandard parts on his car and he likely wouldn't, but many WOULD, because they are cheaper. Money rules everything and I have seen racers do many STUPID things, in the quest of saving a couple bucks.
He also said real racers know better. Yeah, like the couple of real racers that I saw at I-22 Dragway last year, with a 5.20 dial on a car, try to make a pass in lounge pants and a T-shirt. Then get mad, when they were sent to the pits for proper gear. I have seen Johnny Labbous come to the lanes with no shirt, short pants and flip flops and get upset, because I would not let him run. He has run NHRA his whole life, he knows better, but thought he could get by with it, because so and so outlaw track lets him. So you never ASSUME racers will do the right thing, because many won't, given the opportunity to take a short cut.
As far as the belts and two years, thats a tough call, depends on many things. I was a tech inspector for years. I have seen 5 year old belts look brand new and have seen 1 year old belts look 20 years old. Sent more than one racer to buy new ones, even though his were still in date. It is all about wear and tear. Sure many here race pretty infrequently and the belt rule is a tough pill to swallow. But for guys that race 2-3 nights a week, every week, belts can easily be used up in two years.
Doc, some of the things you say......I wonder how.........never mind.
But Tony's trans shield that is out of date....is it any weaker than when he bought it.....no. But has he modified it, has he blown a tranny up under it, or any number of other things......guess what, you don't know, unless he sends it in for a recert.
SFI was created for one reason, because you CAN'T depend on all racers to do the right thing, you must force some of them.
As far as why chassis certs cost more in NHRA than IHRA..SFI sets the guidelines, but they don't set the price for inspection, nor do they enforce the rules. That is up to the sanctioning bodies to strictly follow, or be lenient on the SFI standards.
Monte
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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I think it would be good for racers to have a voice with the nhra. maybe be on the board or something like that. it's hard to swallow all the rising fees and charges when you take a look at the top dogs income. I don't want to see them leave just maybe some changes in favor of the racers.
You couldn't put six racers in a room and have them agree on how to fart.
NHRA needs to find a way to put butts in all those empty seats that were covered with sponsor banners and tarps last season.
I'm no math wiz but, twenty seats sold for $20 is more than no seats sold for $65. 
at a 100mil a year I think they are doing ok, and to have such high paid officials they must not be doing to bad especially for a non-profit. I agree on the reduction on tickets but how could they pay close to 1mil in salary to the ceo if they did?
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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I'm right with ya Quick, It's just yor particular post got me to thinking (no, dinner's not burnin'  ) I've always figured if you can get new folks out to the track (I call 'em civilians) the fun and cool factor will sell itself. Spending half a weeks salary and getting frisked like you robbed a gas station to get treated like an illegal immigrant isn't gonna cut it. There are plenty of other places to spend your fun time money. 
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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I saw Johnny The Loose Caboose @ MMP about 2 years ago @ a Big $$$ Bracket Race @ the end of the year. We were unloading the car and he come over to speak(been knowing him a long time)had on his flip flops & shorts no shirt drinking coffee.It was either 36 or 38 degrees  but I think he made it into the $$$ rounds that day. I made enought to buy a new set of belts that day myself,but those days don't come that often.  There are always a few who don't play by the Rules and never will. But why punish the rest of us because of one or two? Myself I am more worried about racers Drinking (Alcohol)& doing Drugs & getting out on the tracks than their seat belts. Let the people(officials)who police that police the seat belts.
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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01/22/11 04:44 PM
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Ahh, the beauty of the internet...
Ahhh YES ... the BEAUTY of it .....
How IT CAN dig-up some dirty little secrets !!
I see that you did not DENY that Carl just-might STILL be getting-a-check from the NHRA. And that the NHRA and SFI are not in-bed-together.
Come on Kevin ...spill-DA-beans ..  ...
I don't feel like I owe anyone anything in the form of an explanation but I will say this. I know Carl farily well and consider him a good friend. Does he get a check from NHRA? I seriously doubt it but I haven't asked him. Why the heck would I? I have no need to question his character or integrity.
The one thing I don't understand is why so many people want to pile on SFI, an organization that has no doubt saved hundreds, maybe even thousands of a lives and has done a lot to prevent motorsports in general from being legislated out of existance. What the hell are people arguing about? The right to wear substandard safety equipment? All to save a few dollars. Call me niave but I just don't get that.
I don't get to race too often but the last time I went out, I had to buy a new helmet because the Snell sticker in my old one was expired. The old helmet was barely used. Was I happy about it? No, but I'm willing to accept that it's part of the deal.
As I noted earlier, I usually regret getting involved in these discussions and based on a couple of PMs, I'm already regretting this one.
In the meantime, anyone want to trade a nice clean 1970-1971 Challenger for an equally clean '70 440-6 Road Runner? I'd much rather spend my time on that.
Kevin McKenna
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Re: The NHRA is getting sued
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Race-Cars setting out in the sun for 2 years. That went out with the Flint-Stones racers years ago.
I looked and looked but did not see Fred flintstone around when I took this picture a few months ago in Georgia (11/01/10). I call it "Off Season Storage"
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Race-Cars setting out in the sun for 2 years. That went out with the Flint-Stones racers years ago.
I looked and looked but did not see Fred flintstone around when I took this picture a few months ago in Georgia (11/01/10). I call it "Off Season Storage"
those are in the shade not the sun
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Looks more like "Retired"(junk)race-cars. That just does not look like good O'll Southern grass around them "Retired" race cars. Well at least now we know who Charlie Daniels song "The Devil Went Down To GA" was about!!
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Just a thought..If there was no NHRA ...Were ya gonna race? Then there will be lots of pissin and moanin...Till then...All I want to do is race...And I don't care who the sanction is thru. I also want a safe place to race at... 
