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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: feets] #905275
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My logs were made from the same stuff and I have issues with cracks.




Yeah,I was looking at your photos and couldn't see any brackets. Are you turbo's hangin' off the headers?

I thought about the cracking issue and my pops and I fabbed a bracket to hold the weight of the turbo. It is mounted to the head so it will move with the engine. Less stress on the pipe. I have a tiny bit of front to rear movement but I figured that the headers would stabilize that. We are adding a few brackets here and there for additional support of the larger/longer header tubes on the passenger side where the turbo is. The driver side won't have all the additional piping. Just 90's into the log.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905276
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My turbos hang off the headers. No doubt that's part of the problem.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: feets] #905277
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ya, the turbos have to be supported. That borg warner is a pig of a turbo..

Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: Wilde Racing] #905278
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ya, the turbos have to be supported. That borg warner is a pig of a turbo..




Yep,
Nearly 50 lbs. Hopefully the 1/4" plate will support it.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905279
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Started the driverside log, still gotta cut the top angle. My dumbass cut the 90's pointing down the first time .. That why the ends are butchered but they will be cut at a 45.

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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: Wilde Racing] #905281
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905282
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Well,
got the driverside log done. This Aluminized piping is a PITA to weld even after grinding the coating :bang:... Will dress these welds and run a wide pass to confirm seal.
O'well, looks like it will be usable!

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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905283
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905284
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905285
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I like the way that looks.


11.67@118 1.88 60' with only 7-8 lbs of boost. Turbocharged, megasquirted, 407 BB, 440 source heads, roller cam, 9:1 comp. http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/beansgracie
Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CW25] #905286
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Thanks CW25...


Started the crossover pipe. Looks good and no interference as of yet.. Again, this will all be wrapped.
The front valance should cover half of the crossover view from the front. I like the "No bumper" look on the front enuff to leave it off.

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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905290
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Very cool & your build has me thinking of changing my desire to procharge my 68 383 formula S, to twin turbo. But I'm concerned about the high underhood temps the turbo generates. How do you prevent the extreme heat from cracking your hood paint, since its so close to the hood? The turbo on my 99 Eclipse GST gets pretty hot, but its location isn't so close to the hood as yours. I like the idea of a turbo producing max torque sooner in the rev band & getting better mileage than the procharger.

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Very cool & your build has me thinking of changing my desire to procharge my 68 383 formula S, to twin turbo. But I'm concerned about the high underhood temps the turbo generates. How do you prevent the extreme heat from cracking your hood paint, since its so close to the hood? The turbo on my 99 Eclipse GST gets pretty hot, but its location isn't so close to the hood as yours. I like the idea of a turbo producing max torque sooner in the rev band & getting better mileage than the procharger.




All the hotside piping will be coated with VHT and then wrapped with DEI kevlar header wrap with a good coat of their black spray silicone.
I will only wrap the first 2 feet of the 5" DP just to keep those temps out too. You thinking twins, go over to FABO's site and and look at MadDart's twin turbo Dart build. He's done a great job with the attention to detail. LONG read though but thorough!!
Going twins will make it easy for the hotside since all you need is a log style like the driverside on my setup for both on yours. I thought about twins but that was twice the price and I am on a "Strict" budget.

I will also add the hood insulation to protect the paint.


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Very cool & your build has me thinking of changing my desire to procharge my 68 383 formula S, to twin turbo. But I'm concerned about the high underhood temps the turbo generates. How do you prevent the extreme heat from cracking your hood paint, since its so close to the hood? The turbo on my 99 Eclipse GST gets pretty hot, but its location isn't so close to the hood as yours. I like the idea of a turbo producing max torque sooner in the rev band & getting better mileage than the procharger.




All the hotside piping will be coated with VHT and then wrapped with DEI kevlar header wrap with a good coat of their black spray silicone.
I will only wrap the first 2 feet of the 5" DP just to keep those temps out too. You thinking twins, go over to FABO's site and and look at MadDart's twin turbo Dart build. He's done a great job with the attention to detail. LONG read though but thorough!!
Going twins will make it easy for the hotside since all you need is a log style like the driverside on my setup for both on yours. I thought about twins but that was twice the price and I am on a "Strict" budget.

I will also add the hood insulation to protect the paint.




Thanks for the info & I'll check out maddart's post. know Ceramic coating & thermal barrier coating really reduces temps & when I had Ram Proline do my hemi's exhaust, it cooled the underside of my chally pretty well. I'll also friction coat the piston skirts & maybe thermal coat the tops & chambers, as I hear that really reduces detonation. Thanks for the great info. Buzz.

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I read MadDart's post on FABO & very cool. I've also got Caltracs & 5" narrowed 8 3/4 w/ 3.55's. I forgot to mention my 68 S has fiberglass fenders & hood, so I gotta keep the exhaust temps down for sure. the 451 has eddy heads, TM6 intake, 440 source kit & is about 10:1, so I'll swap the pistons for 8:1 or 8.5:1 coated ones & the Engle hyd cam has a 112 lobe sep so maybe it'll be ok. I think its an AMC K57/58 grind or a K56/58. Twin turbos would look awesome.

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I read MadDart's post on FABO & very cool. I've also got Caltracs & 5" narrowed 8 3/4 w/ 3.55's. I forgot to mention my 68 S has fiberglass fenders & hood, so I gotta keep the exhaust temps down for sure. the 451 has eddy heads, TM6 intake, 440 source kit & is about 10:1, so I'll swap the pistons for 8:1 or 8.5:1 coated ones & the Engle hyd cam has a 112 lobe sep so maybe it'll be ok. I think its an AMC K57/58 grind or a K56/58. Twin turbos would look awesome.




Yeah, I went to 9:1 due to the cam choice. Depending on the head gasket it will drop a point or two. 8.5 is ideal in most circumstances. I have found that less duration(2.30ish) and more lobe seperation(114-116) is ideal but I am no expert. I think as long as you get the hotside coated and wrapped there will be no issues with heat. I would also look into a 2.91-3.23 gear depending on what size the rear tires are. This will help with the fuel economy and put a ton of "Load" on the turbo(s).


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