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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: thehemikid]
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01/05/11 07:38 PM
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bcrproducts
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super gas
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That is my original cap and girdle setup BCRproducts that I made sitting on my den table. It is not anyone elses as you can see it is 1/2" plate. I thought it almost looked like art against the red cherry wood. I almost kept it there but the wife wouldn't have it lol lol lol Mike and Dale at CRE are making them now call them at 309-266-8084 Greg Quote:
...Any body know who makes this one.
Last edited by bcrproducts; 01/05/11 07:43 PM.
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: bcrproducts]
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01/06/11 01:14 PM
01/06/11 01:14 PM
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roadhazard
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Sorry guys, should have looked closer at the thickness of the plate  It's nice to know that these will be available from the capable hands of Dale & Mike @ Chenoweth. Best of luck in your future endevors Greg  Greg 
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: bcrproducts]
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01/07/11 12:46 AM
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ky hills
thehemikid
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Remember it was you guys here on Moparts that made that setup what it is today. It was feedback from at least five shops and at least ten individuals and Tom's great initial insight. I was just the one who put it all together and made it a reality.
It is never a substitite for an aftermarket block but it makes a stock block take at least 40% more than it could without one in my veiw.
Greg
...I understand, & thanks for all the info.
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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01/07/11 02:13 AM
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bcrproducts
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I agree there is no substitute for an aftermarket block but this system has its merrits and use. Looking back at sales records I sent about 25% of these to outside the USA sales. These were countries that have existing blocks and no aftermarket that is affordable. I sent these to England Norway Finland New Zealand Australia Germany and Denmark. Oddly enough Finland I had sold at least a dozen to?? There is no doubt that there is a middle ground where this setup finds its place. Hundreds of sales proved that. If they were failing all over the place you would have seen it here on this public forum. But you didn't. I am not saying that there wasn't failures because ther may have been. But I am not aawre of them. Public forums are a dangerous place to play as 100 customers that are happy will tell only 5 people but one unhappy customer will tell 50 people. Pete and the guys build great motors just look here on this forum with all the happy customers.But I also have been selling caps and systems since the early 90's and You would be hard pressed to find anyone on this or any other board say that my products did not live up to their name. In all those years I had one production run go bad and I knew exactly where those caps went and took care of it that week. Greg Quote:
Save your money and get a aftermarket block. Has anybody used one and stopped block failure because of it?
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: bcrproducts]
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01/07/11 07:35 AM
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North Sweden
RT540
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Quote:
Remember it was you guys here on Moparts that made that setup what it is today. It was feedback from at least five shops and at least ten individuals and Tom's great initial insight. I was just the one who put it all together and made it a reality.
It is never a substitite for an aftermarket block but it makes a stock block take at least 40% more than it could without one in my veiw.
Greg
Hi Greg, this is all history, and it was a lot of fun to help you out with idea´s and try to make the caps and girdle as solid as possible, we made a pretty good job, and I think that I and Dan had both some good input, along with others here.
The stock block is very thin in many places, and the thickness of the cylinder walls, are an equal big problem in many of the old blocks, causing flex, and in some cases cracks that take in water= hydraulic lock and broken rod.
Tom
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: RT540]
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01/07/11 12:18 PM
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bcrproducts
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Tom good hearing from you. You are right we are trying to do the best with what some of us have. The Aftermarket block is just not always possible logistically or financially. There are lots of guys that have a machine shop sponsor and this setup works great for them. There are lots of guys with nitrous street motors that this setup works great on. Then there are us drag race guys. I raced my Cuda with the same OEM block and aluminum main caps for a dozen years with no reline bore. In fact it is still together in my shop albeit I have not raced for several years. That motor went 9.20s at 146 with ported cast iron 915 heads that I still have and went 9.0s at 150 with ported stock size window Eddy's. My goal is to run high 8s with the same motor 452 and run low 8.s with a new 510 inch that I am building with the same port window Eddy's As far as I know there was not a faster OEM stock stroke block OEM head car out there for at least a ten year period. That motor was NA no boosters.
Greg
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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01/07/11 02:43 PM
01/07/11 02:43 PM
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Thigh-Gap Junction
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New user name, Same old jerk!
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New user name, Same old jerk!
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Thigh-Gap Junction
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Save your money and get a aftermarket block. Has anybody used one and stopped block failure because of it?
So you're asking for people to prove a negative? That is, to prove that an engine would have failed without the girdle?
The ability to make the widely available factory blocks take a lot more power is a wonderful thing. Not everyone is interested in a 300# block so they can run in the 8's.
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: maximum entropy]
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01/07/11 02:57 PM
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Michigan
Get-X
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mopar
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Michigan
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Most web failures I've seen were in rb blocks, so anyone wanting to use production stuff should consider a b block as a base. I'd be way more worried about splitting a cylinder than a web failure to be honest.
'65 Belvedere
'68 GTX
'57 Dodge pickup
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Re: RB main girdle ??????
[Re: moparniac]
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01/08/11 04:26 PM
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Finland
Hessu
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enthusiast
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Finland
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with steel caps and girdle... and little NOS
Last edited by Hessu; 01/08/11 04:33 PM.
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I have bought and will continue to buy the better, world or Koleno(Koffels 
Looks like a hybrid of BCR main caps and a Chenoweth girdle to me 
