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Ah the old memory still not working too well. I am talking about the black rebody that sold at B-J, maybe it was a black 71 for $600K, that sound familair?

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This one? Yes, it's a rebody, it sold in 06 for 600K or so. I don't know if Galen outed it but by auction time they pretty much admitted it, but rather than just say "rebody" they went with "Major metal replacment". Interpret that any way you like.

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Another description for these is "Envelope Cars"

THere is a film clip of the car on stage with the words "it was rebodied, etc"...

Also keep in mind that while 600K is a ton of loot for any car, the fact that it had been rebodied did play into the price paid for it in a negative way. In 2006 a comparable original example without the rebody could have easily eclipsed 7 figures (several did sell privately for that in 2006). In 2006 600K for a triple black 4 speed 71 Hemi Cuda was "cheap"!

Art, no offense taken.

My tag definitions for the record;

Original - This one is obvious.

Reproduction - An exact duplicate of the information taken from the original tag or if a record of the original tag information exists, or from a broadcast sheet by someone who knows how in cases where it is possible.

Custom - Made up with no intent to fool anyone, CLONE as the VON is one example. The example I posted yesterday is another.

Fake - If any data was or needs to be guessed at to make it appear as an original.

If a reproduction tag is made (see my definition above) & the car is up for sale, the seller should mention it & include both tags. I know of sales that have not gone through because sellers were not completely honest about this. If the potential buyer hears about it from me instead, they wonder what else the buyer has not disclosed.

Personally, I do not care if a reproduction tag is in italic font as long as ALL the correct data is on it including the original scheduled production date & VON.

Fake tags, & the people that want to have them made I have no use for. It was (and is) pretty obvious what someone in this thread was trying to do in the other thread. If anything has to be guessed at, I call it a fake tag.

That said.....

I did offer a service for a short while in 2005 where I would help folks with broadcast sheets with their tag layouts for a fee. In two cases I knew what was on the original tags even though they were no longer with the cars at the time & no broadcast sheet was present. Some folks send information from stuff in their collections with no intent of giving up the original or wanting their names known. I still made the owners jump through some hoops.

Once the tag layout was done I would have the tag made then send it to them. In one case a factory error was corrected that bugged the owner, it simply needed a space inserted.

No tags were made that that did not contain the correct information for the car, there were approximately ten of them total.

One of those cars was for sale a few times not long after, & folks did ask me about the tag because it looked 'new'. In every case I told them that it was a new tag with the correct info on it that I supplied from my files.

I stopped offering it as a service for a fee for two reasons;

An incredible amount of folks contacted me wanting fender tag layouts that 'can not be spotted as fake', when they had a big fat 0 to go on. This really opened my eyes to the dark side of the hobby, yes, it is real.

The other reason is that I did not like the way I felt after contact with people like that. I learned a lot from that experience.

If I were a greedy man, I could have made a lot of money. Instead, I chose to protect unwary buyers from the bottom feeders who prey on them. I have learned an incredible amount from the folks that have sent raw, original data in. I have chosen to use that education to help honest people needing honest answers. If I ever betray that trust I know the data sources will dry up.

Fake fender tags are an epidemic in our hobby. I said that a few years ago & one guy laughed at me. Most folks just have no clue how common they are.

One other note, on the occasional thread where I point out FAKE tags, the font does not enter into consideration, only historical impossibilities.

Like it or not, the good & bad among you have had a very great influence on what I do and how I do it. The good influences are used against the bad, get used to it, I am not going away.

I sleep very good at night & it has been a pleasure serving those that truly needed honest answers.

Barry Washington

That just answered the question: who is Barry Washington.

Barry Washington for President!!

"If a reproduction tag is made (see MY definition above) & the car is up for sale, the seller should mention it & include both tags."
"Personally, I do not care if a reproduction tag is in italic font as long as..."
"I would have the tag made then send it to them. In one case a factory error was corrected that bugged the owner, it simply needed a space inserted."
"I still made the owners jump through some hoops."
"I did offer a service for a short while in 2005 where I would help folks with broadcast sheets with their tag layouts for a fee."
"I would have the tag made then send it to them."
"I point out FAKE tags"
"I chose to protect unwary buyers from the bottom feeders who prey on them."

Ok GOD (Dave) has spoken....for better or worse, every since them roles of fake blank BC sheets got posted and saying none got out and then it became clear at least one did...hmmm

Behind all your cars money and BS there are many feel your just as much as the problem as anyone else.

That is the perception of some, reality...only you know Dave.

It dont matter how many names you toss around, how you have done this,that ect...many dont care.

You it seems have much more of an agenda in the mopar world then most.

Just keeping those rolls of BC sheets around for conversation I guess, huh?

Who are you anyway?...who cares.

This topic is getting so hot I had to go put on some oven mits . Personally ,I think it is fantastic that guys like Barry try to enforce some type of justice, here in the wild west we call, "the mopar hobby" . Their is so much fraud
and deception in our hobby. Restamped blocks, incorrect fendertags, Altered VINS , etc.
The day is probably near when some joker will even stoop so low as to attempt to tool up and create acurate looking reproduction buildsheets .
It would not suprise me one bit .
But the bottom line is , nobody has to appoint you "sheriff" or anything, for you to desire to help people in a positive way . Reuniting people with numbers matching blocks, lost buildsheets, etc.
as well as informing someone that the FM3 4 speed T/A they are interested in buying is actually an FF4 automatic that was altered, all those things are good things, positive things.
You should not feel ofended or threatened that someone is acting all "high and mighty" just because they will not endorse fabricated documentation. Hey, diffrent strokes for diffrent folks . Some of us wear white hats, and some don't . It's just in your blood. Integrity, honor, etc. are traits some have more so than others, and some people enjoy helping other people .
The bottom line is this...fabricated documentation is bad . Period, end of story .
And I didn't need a sheriff's badge to say that .

Greg