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You must be in training for message board mercenary warfare then. What is the going rate for "involvement" in a conflict these days?

I do know how to spot a forged crank after staying at Holiday Inn Express.

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No, bored till my flight leaves in a few weeks for the Marshalls.

It's quite easy to do in an assembled engine removing the damper, with a tuning fork. If your old enough.

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Or maybe just let the car rot in a field somewhere. Cause everyone wants 100 point mega buck car.

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No..I'd love to have a nicely done driver quality four speed R/T. It's just that the little things do make a difference and when you look at what could have been done very easily with little time or effort, and wasn't done, it makes you wonder about the quality of work on other things. For example, a chrome breather cap is a distinctive detail, easy to get and doesn't cost that much. Since it wasn't swapped, it's a glaring detail that sticks out. Luckily, this is an easy thing for the new owner to fix.

Painting the bezels around the stripe wouldn't have taken that much more time or effort to do right the first time. Since they weren't painted, it's a glaring detail that sticks out. This could be fixed by the buyer but why should they have to?

Emblems and a stripe? The body color through the stripe is a detail I love about the 69 R/T. the emblem on a stripe delete car is not centered above the bezel.

The same is true for the black out behind the grille. It wouldn't have taken that long to shoot the support black. Again, this could be done by the new owner but why should they have to go back in and do it? It would have been so much easier to do when you had things apart.

There are some other small things that could have been done differently and no one item is a deal breaker for a nice driver but things like this do add up to a guy like me. It makes me go...hmmmm....if they didn't take the time to do the little stuff, did they really take the time to do the big more expensive things like the engine, tranny, rear, body work, etc, correctly? Getting some of the details right, and they do not have to be to 100 point specs for a car like this, do pique interest and add value to a sale.



And, yes, you should save every 69 Coronet R/T you find rotting in a field.

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BTW are you saying the bezels should not be painted?

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Saving grace - 9 propective buyers out of 10 would not know about chrome breather, black out, bezel paint, R/T emblem alignment etc. etc etc.

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Very true. But what will the opinion of the buyer be toward YOU and your work when the new owner takes this car to their first cruise in or car show and run into that 1 out of 10 person that points out these things? Will they think highly of you and the 'restored' car they purchased? Doing the small things correctly when it is time and cost efficent to do them go a long way.

RE detail pictures. This car was intended to be a driver so I understand compromises were made. Certain details may have been intentionally omitted or added after the pictures were taken. (for example various stickers) There were variations between plants on certain things that may or may not appear on this specific car. If you don't know those variations going in or they are not apparent on the car, researching the details takes time and money and add little overall value. Certain details do become cost prohibitive if you are trying to make a profit and don't make sense on a driver.

Things like the shifter handle are a personal choice and the "T" handle is very period correct and a common personalization made by owners. This is no big deal to me because it's easily changed if the owner wants to.

I can't tell for sure but it looks like you did not install a fuel vapor separator and I presume the return line. Again, small details that add to the restoration cost and detract from the profit but this is 'one of those things' specific to this model that add up after a while. Would it matter to most people this is missing? Probably not but it would to some.

It appears to be a nice car from the pictures. It's certainly a desireable car but I'd be that 1 in 10 guy that would be willing to pay a little more for more items that were 'correct'. It shows me the shop took their time to do it as right as possible given the parameters they had to work with.

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Hi massmopar -
do you bite?

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Saving grace - 9 propective buyers out of 10 would not know about chrome breather, black out, bezel paint, R/T emblem alignment etc. etc etc.

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Very true. But what will the opinion of the buyer be toward YOU and your work when the new owner takes this car to their first cruise in or car show and run into that 1 out of 10 person that points out these things? Will they think highly of you and the 'restored' car they purchased? Doing the small things correctly when it is time and cost efficent to do them go a long way.

RE detail pictures. This car was intended to be a driver so I understand compromises were made. Certain details may have been intentionally omitted or added after the pictures were taken. (for example various stickers) There were variations between plants on certain things that may or may not appear on this specific car. If you don't know those variations going in or they are not apparent on the car, researching the details takes time and money and add little overall value. Certain details do become cost prohibitive if you are trying to make a profit and don't make sense on a driver.

Things like the shifter handle are a personal choice and the "T" handle is very period correct and a common personalization made by owners. This is no big deal to me because it's easily changed if the owner wants to.

I can't tell for sure but it looks like you did not install a fuel vapor separator and I presume the return line. Again, small details that add to the restoration cost and detract from the profit but this is 'one of those things' specific to this model that add up after a while. Would it matter to most people this is missing? Probably not but it would to some.

It appears to be a nice car from the pictures. It's certainly a desireable car but I'd be that 1 in 10 guy that would be willing to pay a little more for more items that were 'correct'. It shows me the shop took their time to do it as right as possible given the parameters they had to work with.

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Finally a response from someone that can give information/opinions without the derogatory remarks,criricism and name calling.

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Saving grace - 9 propective buyers out of 10 would not know about chrome breather, black out, bezel paint, R/T emblem alignment etc. etc etc.

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Very true. But what will the opinion of the buyer be toward YOU and your work when the new owner takes this car to their first cruise in or car show and run into that 1 out of 10 person that points out these things? Will they think highly of you and the 'restored' car they purchased? Doing the small things correctly when it is time and cost efficent to do them go a long way.

RE detail pictures. This car was intended to be a driver so I understand compromises were made. Certain details may have been intentionally omitted or added after the pictures were taken. (for example various stickers) There were variations between plants on certain things that may or may not appear on this specific car. If you don't know those variations going in or they are not apparent on the car, researching the details takes time and money and add little overall value. Certain details do become cost prohibitive if you are trying to make a profit and don't make sense on a driver.

Things like the shifter handle are a personal choice and the "T" handle is very period correct and a common personalization made by owners. This is no big deal to me because it's easily changed if the owner wants to.

I can't tell for sure but it looks like you did not install a fuel vapor separator and I presume the return line. Again, small details that add to the restoration cost and detract from the profit but this is 'one of those things' specific to this model that add up after a while. Would it matter to most people this is missing? Probably not but it would to some.

It appears to be a nice car from the pictures. It's certainly a desireable car but I'd be that 1 in 10 guy that would be willing to pay a little more for more items that were 'correct'. It shows me the shop took their time to do it as right as possible given the parameters they had to work with.

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Finally a response from someone that can give information/opinions without the derogatory remarks,criricism and name calling.

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Refreshing, clear and thoughtful comments. Changed my mind on few things.

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I'm tackling this rusty 69 charger project #'s 383 H code 4 speed console T7 ext. T5 int. 2 buildsheets fender tag, 1 owner car.
My intention is to restore to driver quality.
I was thinking of making it an R/T clone.
Now after all, I'm going to follow the buildsheet and resist my personal preferences.

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Good call. A nicely done (not perfect, not a mega buck 100 point car but done well) original 383 - 4 speed Charger would be much more marketable than another R/T clone.

BTW if the Charger was built at the St. Louis plant ( G plant ) I'd be interested in knowing more about it as I track cars built at that plant. If you don't already know him, I'd encourage you to contact Chris at the 69 Charger registry if you need a good resource.

69 Charger Registry

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I'm tackling this rusty 69 charger project #'s 383 H code 4 speed console T7 ext. T5 int. 2 buildsheets fender tag, 1 owner car.
My intention is to restore to driver quality.
I was thinking of making it an R/T clone.
Now after all, I'm going to follow the buildsheet and resist my personal preferences.

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Good call. A nicely done (not perfect, not a mega buck 100 point car but done well) original 383 - 4 speed Charger would be much more marketable than another R/T clone.

BTW if the Charger was built at the St. Louis plant ( G plant ) I'd be interested in knowing more about it as I track cars built at that plant. If you don't already know him, I'd encourage you to contact Chris at the 69 Charger registry if you need a good resource.

69 Charger Registry

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Geez, this is another one of those rough threads! Well, I'm far from a purist but the easy to see & fix ones the VR, wiper motor, radiator cap, m/c cover & probably m/c, too and my 6bbl car came with black plug wires & tan cap. Looks like a neat car.

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I hope you guys are kidding because it sounds like school yard trash talk from grown men.