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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Ron_M] #877559
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Think I'm gonna buy a cheapie 12 point box and grind it down






x 100 ....I did that years ago for ... headers and one style of an intake manifold.

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: FuryUs] #877560
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I'm not Rocky, but yes the header bolts enter the water jacket.


...As in ALL of them !!! ...And{I'm not Rocky either but} I try to use header studs every time I can...That avoids a big hassle...Some say to use RVT sealer on the bolts but if you need to keep tightening them during the initial mating process then they'll leak anyhow..

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Ron_M] #877561
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Here is my thoughts on this FUBAR; use a 6 point box, ground down thin enough to fit; a 12 point will slip/strip on the hex. PB blaster, a pin punch and a hammer hit the flats of the bolt you can see/get to, the action will wiggle the bolt back and forth, breaking the rust bond, PB blaster some more, try the wrench. You don't have hit the punch with a kill shot, just a solid bump.

Good luck.

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: JBurch] #877562
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What about putting the other header bolts back in and running the motor to get some heat in it then try and get the bolt out . Ive had this work in the past . Working with the hot header isnt the greatest buuuut if it works

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Ron_M] #877563
12/12/10 03:40 PM
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Yes on saving the headers (I need the $$ to rebuild the engine) and I am afraid if I keep nailing that tube, I'll breach it but that is a suggestion I'll keep in mind and might even go try. Thanks!




If you breach the tube you can weld it back up afterwards , getting a box wrench on there is your best bet .

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: StukaJU87] #877564
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Thats why I always antisieze my bolts.Rocky




Rocky, can you settle a question for me once and for all please as I will be installing headers on a fresh 440 in the near future?

Do any of the exhaust bolts on stock heads go through to the water jacket? I have heard some say yes and some say no.

If the answer is "yes", how would never sieze keep it from leaking?




Do yourself huge favor and leave in as many studs , all on at least the drivers side , as you can , draining the cooling system to change a gasket or a starter bites .

And as said they are ALL wet .

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Ron_M] #877565
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It's the second bolt-stud back on each side of engine that the stud won't work on on many mfg headers. The rest get studs in most cases.

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: buildanother] #877566
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It's the second bolt-stud back on each side of engine that the stud won't work on on many mfg headers. The rest get studs in most cases.




If you're good you can get a stud in there .

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: JohnRR] #877567
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Do yourself a huge favor and leave in as many studs


yes the shouldered OE type studs seal the best & I trim the outer fine threaded portion so there's only enough threads left to fit flush when a thin high quality nut is installed. Any more than that is a waste & hampers header fitment. Mock it up/remove/shorten/reinstall(w appropriate sealer on the coarse threads)then install the headers. As said all wet on BB (stock heads),maybe diff on aftermarket and corners (4) wet on a SB


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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: RapidRobert] #877568
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I have plenty of brand new grade 8 studs. Never thought of shortening the ones that are too long for the header tubes. Thanks for the tip!


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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: StukaJU87] #877569
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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: buildanother] #877570
12/12/10 10:55 PM
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It's the second bolt-stud back on each side of engine that the stud won't work on on many mfg headers. The rest get studs in most cases.




used every mani stud on these Summit headers and the last set of headmans I had. work like a dream.

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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Mr.Yuck] #877571
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I was kindof referring to some hooker and tti headers.

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: buildanother] #877572
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I was kindof referring to some hooker and tti headers.




expensive an OVER-RATED. I do have a nice set of Hooker Super Comps in the garage thou....

Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: Mr.Yuck] #877573
12/13/10 12:07 AM
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I do have a nice set of Hooker Super Comps in the garage thou.


5205's or 5215's


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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: FuryUs] #877574
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When I ran all bolts on my headers I used silver antisieze.I run it on all 6 vehicles that and do have headers.Ive never had a leak.I run studs on my 440 now except for 2 that have to be bolts.My kids 413 has been together for 8 years with headers and bolts.Never leaks a drop and the bolts come right out.Ive also ran the same on 5 small blocks.Rocky


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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: therocks] #877575
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I have Hooker Headers on my car that are old Superstock Headers.. 2" tubes to 3 1/2" collecters. I have studs in every hole on them. I did use some of th eMr. gasket 3514 studs though in the tight areas,, I used thread sealer on all the studs in the heads... I am running aluminum heads and did not want bolts to take in and out as we all know what happes to threads in aluminum heads when useing them to much..

Idid have to hang the header on the studs, start that nut and work my way in with them.. Starter goes on and off without removing the headers...


Good luck with those... I prefer studs as they make it a bit easier to put the headers on as they will hold the studs..


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Re: Help me get this header bolt out! [Re: RapidRobert] #877576
12/13/10 01:27 PM
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I do have a nice set of Hooker Super Comps in the garage thou.


5205's or 5215's




not sure I got them from a budy for $125. was going to use them w/ the new motor but I would of had to do some exhaust work, the old ones have a evac system and they were TIGHT. So I left the Summit's on.


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