Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: Chassisman]
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12/04/10 02:29 AM
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You're looking at the problem backward. Water is easier to boil at high altitude, but all your heat is escaping as water vapor. Put on lid on it.
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Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: polyspheric]
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12/04/10 02:37 AM
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Actually I should not have used the word boil. With the 9.5 converter the car's water temp is 220 and climbing whereas with the wuss 12inch it runs 185. You guys did give a thought though. Would it not make sense that he would need a higher pressure radiator cap at that altitude? I realize the water actually boils at a lower temp but the production of steam bubbles cannot be a good thing. Thoughts... Todd ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif)
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Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: sasquatch]
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12/04/10 03:59 AM
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Does anyone here have real world knowledge of tuning engines at 11,000 to 12,000 feet? I have a customer in South Africa that seems to be having some trouble with a 572 hemi. Most of the advise that works here does not seem to be working there. Todd
No tuning knowledge at 11,000+ ft altitude, but even at the 6,000 ft altitude here in Denver, one issue is low port velocity when running really large port heads. cams with earlier intake closing points help build cylinder pressure and reduce reversion back into the intake, so its usually better to run a smaller cam or at least advance it several degrees. The other is vapor lock. Fuel injection would be a good idea. Pump gas wants to turn to vapor pretty easy at high altitude. keeping it at high pressure, and using a return line to keep the fuel cool works good. I use return lines on all my cars. On a few carbs I had to enlarge the idle restrictions in the metering block. The low air pressure at high altitude was making the idle/transition circuit too lean.
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Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: DragDart360]
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12/04/10 04:04 AM
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Some high altitude world war two planes ran the bottle.
Can you provide an example?
Can't provide an example of that but i do know that they may have tried tipping the can.. there was a report from the army/airforce that said something to the effect of "while the power output is quite substantial, catastrophic engine failure is a common and predictable result of its use" (referring to nitromethane)..
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Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: DragDart360]
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12/04/10 01:23 PM
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Some high altitude world war two planes ran the bottle.
Can you provide an example?
Well , i'm not really into world war two planes so don't know anyting about them , what i do know is nitrous oxide was first used in german fighter planes , some british planes also used nitrous oxide , don't think you guys (US) caught the bug ............one aircraft that used it was the TA-152 , i think the system used was a 'GM-1' , the pilots could fly @ a higher altitude when 'on the bottle' , was also used for increased acceleration.
The pilots better hope they had a good 'tuner' back then , having Squeeze around in those days would of put those pilots mind @ rest. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif)
only messin around Squeeze , could'nt help myself. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif)
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Re: Extreme altitude
[Re: sasquatch]
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12/04/10 02:38 PM
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I'm thinking that with the LACK of torque and the converter was set up with X clearance that it has a real high slippage rate causing the temps... have him see the rpm and check the slippage ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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