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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869604
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The "WHITE" you see in your original is either "bad registration" or "faded - loss of color".




A registration problem is evident (for white) on the outlines of the artwork and not in between lines of the main text. Since the "white" is a complete blanket background of the image, it is impossible to be absent due to a registration error. Only the outside border of the white would expose a registration problem for that particular color. On this decal, the white does not have image or artwork separations. The white is the last hue applied so it flows over the colored layers that have void spots or breaks in the artwork. It completely covers the bright vivid colors that are used in the decal. All reverse printing is done this way. Also notice the white lines in the tires that are missing in the NOS version. There are quite a few others variations I will post as soon as I obtain the other version.




I didn't say white had the registration problem & wouldn't white be the FIRST "hue" put down not the last as it is printed on the "backing" not the "face liner"?

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: 6bblgt] #869605
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I didn't say white had the registration problem & wouldn't white be the FIRST "hue" put down not the last as it is printed on the "backing" not the "face liner"?





It is just the opposite with reverse printing which is how these decals were printed. Think of it like this Dan. If you wanted to sign your name (in marker) on the inside of your door glass so you could read it while standing outside of the car, you would have to sign it in a reverse fashion. If not, it would appear backwards as you looked at it from the outside of the car. If you wanted to have a white background behind your signature, would you place the white before you signed your name or after you signed it? If you place the white "before" signing your name, the signature would not show up when you observed it from the outside of the car. The white is the last color printed on all of these decals. When you peel them from the adhesive backer and apply them, the solid white layer can be seen from the inside of the car . The adhesive is on the printed side of the artwork.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869606
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Plymouth do a similar thing with a Rapid Transit sticker?

One thing no one has ever shown me is an A/C sticker like the one on my Duster. It is the same size and style as the Chrysler Airtemp. Mine says "Air conditioned by Chrysler Parts Division." Mine has dealer added air. They stuck it on the quarter window passenger side.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: Rug_Trucker] #869607
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Now now, my comment would in fact be, a very smart business decision.
Companies do it everyday, buy other companies or remaining stock just to remove it/them from the marketplace.
All perfectly legal. Duh.

Just because I might occasionally figure out how something works doesn't meant I'd actually use it, make it or exploit it.
Shows 'my personality traits'? Please.
Nor did 'accuse' anyone of anything. Go bully someone else.

And, just to 'prove' (as if I need to) what a sport I am, I have a pair of the nos b body bees and I'll offer them to the first person to tell me they have a need and would like them. I don't need them.
Even you Dave.
I'll even pay for the stamp.


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: a12superbee] #869608
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We have a winner!
Thanks for playing!


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: a12superbee] #869609
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And, just to 'prove' (as if I need to) what a sport I am, I have a pair of the nos b body bees and I'll offer them to the first person to tell me they have a need and would like them. I don't need them.
Even you Dave.





Dog gone it! I missed out again. I was going to buy your two decals, resell them for a small fortune and then go buy a Ferrari or something. If it weren't for you exposing my other manipulating scheme, I was going to be able to buy a Beach front home in Tahiti with the MILLIONS of $$$$$ I would have made from scarfing up those 300 little NOS window Bees and ruling the Mopar World! Oh well.....there goes Christmas for the kids. Why did you have to go and ruin my hopes for becoming a successful business tycoon?!

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869610
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Touchy. You really are looking to deeply here.


Any idea why the vendor would have so many more of one side?


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869611
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I didn't say white had the registration problem & wouldn't white be the FIRST "hue" put down not the last as it is printed on the "backing" not the "face liner"?





It is just the opposite with reverse printing which is how these decals were printed. Think of it like this Dan. If you wanted to sign your name (in marker) on the inside of your door glass so you could read it while standing outside of the car, you would have to sign it in a reverse fashion. If not, it would appear backwards as you looked at it from the outside of the car. If you wanted to have a white background behind your signature, would you place the white before you signed your name or after you signed it? If you place the white "before" signing your name, the signature would not show up when you observed it from the outside of the car. The white is the last color printed on all of these decals. When you peel them from the adhesive backer and apply them, the solid white layer can be seen from the inside of the car . The adhesive is on the printed side of the artwork.




My bad! I'm looking at this thing as if it was similar to a "water slide decal" not a pressure sensitive "sticker". I NOW see it was built from the glass-surface-in.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: a12superbee] #869612
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......You really are looking to deeply here..... Any idea why the vendor would have so many more of one side?






Isn't that ironic? Your (above) statement was exactly what I thought when I read your view regarding my purpose for purchasing the inventory of decals. Remember this?
"Or perhaps remove the NOS units from the market in order to drive UP the prices on the repops."

To answer your other question, I have no idea or opinion as to why this individual has so many of just one side. I don't make it a practice to criticize or judge any scenario without having at least some knowledge about the situation! (Where did I say that I was getting them from another "vendor"?) Maybe you could tell us why he has them all!

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869613
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I find it very interesting that there are so many "NOS" ones of these decals floating around some forty years later...

It's not like it would have been a highly serviceable part...If they faded, wore out or got damaged were people really that bothered by it to replace them forty years ago...

Did the poor vendor printing them just run off a couple of extra thousand for the heck of it? They decide to sell them to re-coup some of their money?

Did thousands of them find their way out of the assembly plants in lunch pails....

So many unanswered questions


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: anlauto] #869614
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These were small items and did not take up much inventory space. Like many things that are manufactured and serviced, the demand does not always equal the anticipated supply. The economies of scale sometimes justify a larger number printed in contrast to a smaller amount. They larger the run, the better the price! Chrysler may have opted to have a larger manufacturing run in order to lower the overall "per piece" cost. They were required to manufacture a certain percentage (quantity) in relation to the applicable vehicles that were sold. The "service" quantity may have not equaled the actual demand. Those decals were not in an area that was prone to abuse or excessive wear. The result for these items would have been excess inventory.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869615
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(Where did I say that I was getting them from another "vendor"?)




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......or, the place I am getting them from has no impact on the market because they are not being offered for sale to the public. If I don't buy every single one of the 300 left sides, then I can't obtain the twenty right sides he has in order to complete some matching pairs. Imagine that!?! I have to buy 280 left sides that will not have a matching right side just to get 20 complete sets!




Make your last indignant response to me, get it over with, and I shall consider this resolved.

I did find something worthwhile to do with the set I had though. Win for me.


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: a12superbee] #869616
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damn, now i want a pair, for my latest project. you guys created a "need", where there wasnt one before. okies, who's got a set for me?


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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: a12superbee] #869617
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Right here;


......or, the place I am getting them from has no impact on the market because they are not being offered for sale to the public. If I don't buy every single one of the 300 left sides, then I can't obtain the twenty right sides he has in order to complete some matching pairs. Imagine that!?! I have to buy 280 left sides that will not have a matching right side just to get 20 complete sets!





I still can't find where I ever stated that I was getting them from a "vendor". Can you please point out the word "vendor" from the quote you chose to prove your point? Did you not understand the part where I said they WERE NOT offered for sale to the public? Did I really need to specify that they were coming from an individual who bought them (and stashed them away) many years ago? Would that have made any difference to you?

I apologize that you feel bullied by me RESPONDING to your initial and instigating remark. Don't expect someone to blow you a kiss when you start things off with a slap in the face.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869618
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Is someone seriously questioning Chrysler ordering one side far greater than the other?

Obviously they have never looked for NOS Challenger side marker lights or headlamp bezels.

Dave - Please post the Bee differences when you have the final set. Inquiring minds want to know.

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: Morty426] #869619
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I have used quite a few of the ECS decals and other "goodies" on some cars that I have restored. I love, what I call, "little stupid details". When you pop the hood of a freshly restored car and you see little decals wrapped around the harness and battery cables... they are easy to overlook, but when someone notices them, it makes the car that much better.

Anyways Dave, to answer your question... if I were to choose between the NOS replacement Bees versus the "factory correct" repro Bees, I would go with the correct repros. Just out of curiosity, how much would each set run?

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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869620
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I have two of the original decals on my rear qtr windows, but after reading this drama, dang if Im not thinking about replacing them. I guess I better go out and take a look at them to see if they really need replaced. The quirk above about creating a need has made me hunger for two and I may not even need them....LOL.

Still $25 each I think from the place in Canada who has the NOS is rich..... Yea I mean rich. I can think of a hundred more important needs I have for my 70 RT/SE than $25 for a single small decal.....dayuuum!

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: CornDogsCharger] #869621
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Just out of curiosity, how much would each set run?





About $10-$12 for both sides. The variations will not change the cost. (A,B or E Body) They will all "bee" the same price!

Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window? [Re: ECS] #869622
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Well then I will "Bee" interested in a set of the factory correct decals when they are available!

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