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My 1971 Challenger R/T does not have the Side window Scat Bees . Like another poster stated in an earlies post Stripe delete cars do not get the stickers. I do not know if this is true or not about Stripe delete 1971 Challenger R/Ts. I parted out an R/T Challenger and still have the side windows with its sticker on it.

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My 71 stripe delete Challenger R/T does not have them either - but I think that is a coincidence...

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Mine neither....and mine is a stripe delete. And I am 100% certain they werent't on there when the car was delivered to the original owner.

Do we have a pattern here??

Jim, what are the details on your'71. Is it a 6 pack with a hole in the roof??

MB

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Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?
I'm convinced (until proven wrong) that the 3505100-1 were factory applied on b-bodies, 3505102-3 were factory applied on e-bodies & WAG there were 3505104-5 for the Darts.

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There are differences in both the actual drawing and coloring of the decals. The service NOS replacements are not like the factory versions. Also, the engineered drawing I posted earlier was for E Body (B&J) illustrations only. It comes from a reference manual specific to only E body vehicles. I can't make a hypothesis or guess other than the documented facts I have access to. Regarding this subject matter, I cannot prove a negative! What Chrysler information have you documented that causes you to feel "convinced" about A & B Bodies using a separate part number?

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Is the engineering drawing helpful?

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That is exactly what was needed to help eliminate some of the guess work. Your drawing substantiates and proves what Dan conveyed in an earlier post. The "100-1" decal was most likely the correct decal for the B Body but also sufficient to use for the other vehicles as a service replacement. If anyone has an A Body engineering drawing it would complete the scenario. Thanks for posting that illustration!

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Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?

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Hi Dan! The posting of the B Body drawing might have opened a completely new can of worms. I don't think that my reproductions were necessarily incorrect! They may have been wrong for A and E Body vehicles. Dave Stuart and I both have the original Bees on our Challenger quarters and they look slightly different than the 3505100-1 (or B Body) part numbers. Could this mean that there were actually 3 variations as they pertained to the specific vehicles?

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There are NOT separate decals and/or part numbers that differentiate A, B or E body vehicles.

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I just wanted to clarify that I was absolutely wrong regarding the above comment. They DID use different numbers! Dan was/is on the right track with the different part numbers and hopefully someone can find a drawing for the A Body style Bees. I will check to see if Dave's car still has the original quarter windows.

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There are NOT separate decals and/or part numbers that differentiate A, B or E body vehicles.

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I just wanted to clarify that I was absolutely wrong regarding the above comment. They DID use different numbers! Dan was/is on the right track with the different part numbers and hopefully someone can find a drawing for the A Body style Bees. I will check to see if Dave's car still has the original quarter windows.

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The STANDARD stripe on a '70 Challenger R/T was V60 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V68. V90 (OPTIONAL colors) was a N/C (no cost/no charge) OPTION.
A66 was STANDARD with V90 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V98.

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There are differences in both the actual drawing and coloring of the decals.

I don't think that my reproductions were necessarily incorrect! They may have been wrong for A and E Body vehicles. Dave Stuart and I both have the original Bees on our Challenger quarters and they look slightly different than the 3505100-1 (or B Body) part numbers. Could this mean that there were actually 3 variations as they pertained to the specific vehicles?

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Since the 1970 V98 stripe delete cars got the bees, then most likely the 1970 V68 stripe delete cars should have them also, but only the drawing would say for sure.

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Hi Tav! The differences are not "registration" variances in the printing or a "different run" change. There are colors that are not printed in some areas of the NOS decal but ARE present in the assembly line versions. I will show these changes after we manufacture them so we can keep that "slight" advantage over our competition. I have no idea why they added the extra effort and expense to do this. While restoring these cars, I found this same type of redundancy to be evident with quite a few parts.

What will people choose? The NOS version that does not accurately represent the assembly line version or a reproduction that looks exactly like the originals?

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What will people choose? The NOS version that does not accurately represent the assembly line version or a reproduction that looks exactly like the originals?

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That IS an interesting situation. I think a lot of people that don't know the difference would choose your reproduction because it's easier to find and probably cheaper than NOS (on top of your excellent reputation for quality). The people "in the know" would probably still choose your assembly line correct reproduction. Looks like you've got a good product on your hands. Thanks for going the extra mile to make it assembly line correct.

If you end up making a different bee decal for each body style, will you also cut the corner off the backing to match the window and aid in placement? (or to save you the work of cutting it, perhaps print a cut line so that the restorer can cut it in the right spot)


I suspect most of the people looking for the NOS version won't know that it's not assembly line correct, so It'll be important for you to have that info in your item description to increase your sales.

After that, I don't suppose very many people would want the NOS ones. Maybe if someone was looking for an aged appearance for a survivor (the kind of person that prefers yellowed plastic over white plastic). OR, Maybe if someone was doing a "day 2" resto where the original owner had placed the bees on a non-scat pack car. OR, Maybe if the NOS price dropped enough due to lack of demand, someone might use them for budget reasons... Just my rambling

I suppose some of the B body guys might still prefer the NOS, since it's correct for their car.

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Anyone have pics of their original backing from one of the T/As mentioned?

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Another consideration.....

These cars were driven when new in most cases. If you live in a state (or country) where you need an ice scraper to clear your windows to be able to see to drive, well, ice scrapers were not kind to these stickers.

If your 1970 Scat Pack car does not or did not have them, stay warm.

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All the bees I have seen were always on the inside glass of the car.
Most will tell you though, it is not always fun having bees inside your car.