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PSO Heads #864178
11/26/10 07:12 PM
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90ram Offline OP
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Does anybody know who sells them?

Re: PSO Heads [Re: 90ram] #864179
11/26/10 07:13 PM
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Best Machine

Re: PSO Heads [Re: AndyF] #864180
11/26/10 09:00 PM
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just send PETE @ BEST MACHINE a PM...these are his babies...you wont find them anywhere else.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: B1Fish540] #864181
11/26/10 09:02 PM
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muscle motoros is doing them as well

Re: PSO Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #864182
11/26/10 09:25 PM
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A friend of Mine looking for a set.Talked to Best Machine, The told Him They sold the last set and didn't Know when They would do anymore.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #864183
11/26/10 09:26 PM
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So im guessing the rumor is true, the pair Mike purchased from us is being copied by you

Re: PSO Heads [Re: Chuck@Best_Machine] #864184
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So im guessing the rumor is true, the pair Mike purchased from us is being copied by you





nope......

Re: PSO Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #864185
11/26/10 10:12 PM
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So im guessing the rumor is true, the pair Mike purchased from us is being copied by you





nope......


You might as well, before the Chinese do lol

Re: PSO Heads [Re: Chuck@Best_Machine] #864186
11/27/10 02:25 AM
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So im guessing the rumor is true, the pair Mike purchased from us is being copied by you


I don't mean this to sound ugly Pete, but what if they were??? The cylinder head business, or anything about hot rods in general, is full of people who take others ideas and run with it. You guys don't make the head, they are cast by Brodix. If you wanted to get technical about it...I guess you guys copied Koffel and made some improvements along the way....correct?

Monte

Re: PSO Heads [Re: Monte_Smith] #864187
11/27/10 04:12 AM
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Hello,

Anyone who intends to make advances looks at the progress that has been made and evaluates the info and then looks for improvements. If Jeff is analyizing what Best Machine has done on the PSO heads it a compliment to Pete and his company.

Damon

Re: PSO Heads [Re: mopardamo] #864188
11/27/10 11:18 AM
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Monte the head comes with no seats,guides,guide hole location, and a useable port. There are no rocker stand holes also. So what did I copy from Koffel? They did not develop the head in a useable state, ours are runable right out of the box. No other B-1 Head is runable out of the box. Anybody can buy the raw casting and take it from there, or copy someone elses money investment, time and hard work. We sent the head to piston companys to scan and rocker companys for rockers also. So Monte you are incorrect in your statement and I guess there are all kinds of low lifes in the world. And for everbodys information we will continue to offer the PSO Head that we developed and I use on my race car.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #864189
11/27/10 11:58 AM
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Pete are you pretty much saying you took the blank head and made it what it is and now someone is taking what you created to copy/sell right out! if so I can see why this would make someone upset


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Re: PSO Heads [Re: moparniac] #864190
11/27/10 12:07 PM
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Pete are you pretty much saying you took the blank head and made it what it is and now someone is taking what you created to copy/sell right out! if so I can see why this would make someone upset




Funny , no one seemed to care about that when another company did the same thing with an Ebrock RPM head a few years ago because the end product was cheaper.




Re: PSO Heads [Re: moparniac] #864191
11/27/10 12:08 PM
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Pete are you pretty much saying you took the blank head and made it what it is and now someone is taking what you created to copy/sell right out! if so I can see why this would make someone upset




I totally agree!

When you type B1 PSO into Google, look what pops up first

http://www.musclemotorsracing.com/muscle-mike-blog/115-the-little-engine-that-could.html

Sorta says MM had made their own CNC port???? When Chuck stated MM purchased a set from them, I am a little confused as to why, since they supposedly have their own port/head.......Sounds a little fishy.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: 68CudaB1] #864192
11/27/10 12:24 PM
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I hate thieving hacks

I'm with Best Machine on this one.


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Re: PSO Heads [Re: sixpackgut] #864193
11/27/10 12:36 PM
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I hate thieving hacks

I'm with Best Machine on this one.




Sorry cant go with you on this one as if no-one ever moved foward everything would stay the same.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: poisondart2] #864194
11/27/10 12:44 PM
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That's what patents are for....but it sucks just the same and if it's true...it's BS.

Re: PSO Heads [Re: poisondart2] #864195
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I hate thieving hacks

I'm with Best Machine on this one.




Sorry cant go with you on this one as if no-one ever moved foward everything would stay the same.




yep and look where we are now because of it. when we lose holley, edelbrock and others because they are always footing the bill on R&D then what?

we will have nothing but hacks left


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Re: PSO Heads [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #864196
11/27/10 01:04 PM
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And for everbodys information we will continue to offer the PSO Head that we developed and I use on my race car.



Thats Good news, Pete when will You have More Ready to go? Will it be before Christmas?

Re: PSO Heads [Re: sixpackgut] #864197
11/27/10 01:04 PM
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I hate thieving hacks

I'm with Best Machine on this one.




Sorry cant go with you on this one as if no-one ever moved foward everything would stay the same.




yep and look where we are now because of it. when we lose holley, edelbrock and others because they are always footing the bill on R&D then what?

we will have nothing but hacks left




Well the way I see it is that someone comes up with something better but at a price that most wont pay, then someone else takes the idea and makes it afordable for the rest.Would there be any aftermarket blocks if someone didnt copy a original block and then improve on it? Monte pointed out that the head even though a blank came from somewhere else and Pete made the improvements and so the next person will improve on Pete's design, even with a patent improvements will allow one to sell the same head! It only takes a small change.

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