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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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11/23/10 12:14 AM
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If you going to rev it up, at a minumum the intake has to be ti. Its a big valve, 42gr less than SS.
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: Mike Swann]
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11/23/10 12:24 AM
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Not a great deal of difference between the MC and the original. In the end they are the same casting with some modification to accomodate the larger intake valve. Some petty good power can be made with the originals. If your goals are well above the potential of the originals I would look at PSO's or predators if you are starting from scratch. IMHO.
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11/23/10 12:40 AM
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: dvw]
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11/23/10 02:16 AM
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The MC is capable of moving more air, so stands to reason will make more power.
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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11/23/10 02:59 AM
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MC heads move more air 470cfm and the Orignal B1 at best 420cfm. If it were me the motor being over 550cid MC head. The PSO and Predator will be about the same amount of money that being said Predator all the way. 
MC move that much air?
I knew they were good but figured 440-450 cfm tops. 
I know of a couple of people that have a CNC progam that get those kind of numbers.
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: Biginchmopar]
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11/23/10 03:14 AM
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Depends on the goal. 1000HP MC motor is not gonna be a real difficult goal to achieve especially with those cubes. I am 100 over that with a lot less cubes and MC's.
BTW there are other folks who can get close to those numbers listed for MC's. I had a very good set on originals that were 415-420 depending on whos bench they were on. My MC's are 50ish CFM more, at least the two times they have been flowed. So IMO they CAN be worth 100hp depending on the combo.
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: EchoSixMike]
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11/23/10 05:04 PM
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There's a guy in the swap meet trying to sell some TS's, if it's max effort, that or Predators would be the path. S/F....Ken M
yes, and imho, thats a smokin deal on those. The Pred flows about 540 and iirc, the TS is in the same territory. So, in other words, they out flow the next best B1(PSO)head by about 70 cfm..thats over 140 HP.
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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11/24/10 04:29 PM
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It is posts like this that are full of wrong information. Have any of the people on this post even seen any of the B-1 Heads?. The B-1 head, orginal or M/C are the same casting, brodix moves the intake valve over for the 2.40 valve and that is it. The PSO head casting comes raw and has to have, guides, seats and a port put in it. The air flow is appox 35 cfm better on the M/C over the orginal And the PSO we did is appox 45 CFM better than the best M/C head we tested. In real world testing that we have done, we have seen about 40-50 Hp Better with the M/C head. It is hard to build one engine and just swap heads to see the gain. How much power and how fast are the cars of the people with all the answers on this post. This is how people that want to learn something on this site get wrong information and make the wrong choice in engine combos. 
Thats why we need you, Pete!  BTW, have you wroked with the TS head much? And if so hwo do you like them?
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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11/24/10 08:05 PM
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It is posts like this that are full of wrong information. Have any of the people on this post even seen any of the B-1 Heads?. The B-1 head, orginal or M/C are the same casting, brodix moves the intake valve over for the 2.40 valve and that is it. The PSO head casting comes raw and has to have, guides, seats and a port put in it. The air flow is appox 35 cfm better on the M/C over the orginal And the PSO we did is appox 45 CFM better than the best M/C head we tested. In real world testing that we have done, we have seen about 40-50 Hp Better with the M/C head. It is hard to build one engine and just swap heads to see the gain. How much power and how fast are the cars of the people with all the answers on this post. This is how people that want to learn something on this site get wrong information and make the wrong choice in engine combos.
very well put Pete. 
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Re: B1 Orignals Vs B1 MC's
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11/24/10 08:30 PM
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I don't know how much power the the 588 B-1 originals we built for my friends barracuda, but it weights 2700 and he's still tunning but it's been 8.11 at 164, with a single 4
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I'm not sure which ones I bought from Koffels several yaers agao 
I have tthe invoice and flow sheets, maybe I should look at them first 
