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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851508
11/15/10 08:24 AM 11/15/10 08:24 AM
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The stock bell alignment dowels have 5 thousands of an inch of play, which is also the spec for off center tolerance when bolted down.
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: rowin4] #851509
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I just use Lakewoods.
Sometimes a bit more work but never an issue after.
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: theclutcher] #851510
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Is there a problem if the front bearing retainer is smaller than the hole in the bell housing? I dont think the bearing retainer is any kind of supporting member, Im just curious. I thought I have seen factory bell housings with 2 different holes.

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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851511
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I bought the dowels that are on here as a sponsor. Can clock them and use a set screw to secure them.

Kasey



Then yes you can just turn them , I think you use a wrench on flats on the outside of them , loctite the screws when done , use BLUE .
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851512
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Is there a problem if the front bearing retainer is smaller than the hole in the bell housing? I dont think the bearing retainer is any kind of supporting member, Im just curious. I thought I have seen factory bell housings with 2 different holes.

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Yes there will be a huge problem , why is your retainer smaller than the hole in the bell? When you dial in the bell you dial it in to that hole the bearing retainer fits snugly into , if the bearing retainer doesn't fit tight in that hole what's the point of dialing the bell in ?
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: JohnRR] #851513
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If the hole is bigger what can I do? Its still going to be held tightly in place by the 4 7/16 bolts, and they are centered off the center of the input shaft.

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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851514
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They only offer 1 bellhousing for a smmall block mopar and thats a 15320 which I have. And its a 4.87 bore


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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851515
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You need a ADAPTER RING 4.354 RETAINER TO 4.807 BELLHOUSING http://www.brewersperformance.com/products.asp?cat=83
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: bp27] #851516
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You need a ADAPTER RING 4.354 RETAINER TO 4.807 BELLHOUSING http://www.brewersperformance.com/products.asp?cat=83



This or change the retainer to the correct OD.
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: JohnRR] #851517
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I was accually thinking of having a machinist buddy make one, but Ill buy one from brewers.

Im kinda glad I thought of that!

Thanks guys

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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851518
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I got the offset dowels in the car, and before I was TIR was 30, now with the dowels in it the TIR is .006 so divide by 2 thats .003 so im .002 under spec now.



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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851519
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you check back of bellhousing face?
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: theclutcher] #851520
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its square.

Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851521
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It will be a noticable difference.

Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: theclutcher] #851522
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Im geting excited, but Now I have to wait till summer, BUMBER for me. The clutch linkage, rebuilding the z bar and push rods, squaring the side plate, trueing the bell housing, and changing my heads over to Indybrocks will make it a different car im sure.

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Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851523
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Here ya go Matt. Found it and reposted it for ya. Maybee they can put this in the tech section so it dosnt get burried.

After driving the car, the only thing I did different was ise longer bolts, and use locktight on them, The jam nuts accually came loose, and I lost pedal once.

But overall its smooth as silk.

Kasey
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: Moparnut426] #851524
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Can you see if the arms of the z-bar needs to be reinforced? (twisting)
I was thinking of just duplicating the arms and mount the rod ends between them if i make any sence?
Is there enough room to do so?
I dont have anything in my car yet so i cant check for clearence.
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: sshemi] #851525
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about the bearing retainer fitment, if you have a lakewood bell and buy the spacer ring there will still be no good fitment. My bell is like 0,04" bigger than the ring so its not perfect.
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: sshemi] #851526
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I thought of using some 4wheeler tie rod ends, but in my car absolutely no room. I dont think any car would have the room inside the car between the brake lever, and clutch lever.

I think I have like 45 bucks in heim joints is all. I threaded everything myself.

Kasey
Re: another 4 speed question (pictures) updated [Re: sshemi] #851527
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about the bearing retainer fitment, if you have a lakewood bell and buy the spacer ring there will still be no good fitment. My bell is like 0,04" bigger than the ring so its not perfect.



Mine fit really good. The space fit snugly in the bell, and fit snug on the bearing retainer. Maybey I got a good bellhousing

Kasey
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