low deck vs RB stroker
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I am posting this because my brother keeps telling me over and over Im a idiot for building a Rb stroker I could be making more power with a low deck stroker. Really is there much difference there in power? What is the main reason to build a low deck over a RB?
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Re: low deck vs RB
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1. Shorter stiffer cylinder walls 2. Less weight 3. Stronger main webs 4. shorter push rods These are just a few right off the top of my head.
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Re: low deck vs RB
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Is there really any advantage on power I can see what you are saying there but that almost seems like it would hold up better to high horsepower or bracket engine reliability.
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Re: low deck vs RB
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It's stronger yet lighter, a better foundation for a stroker build especially if you are going to build some steam. And 30 or so lbs off the front end couldn't hurt. Shorter, lighter, and stronger push rods and stronger straighter cylinders will make more power. It's just a better choice, not that there is anything wrong with the RB.
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Re: low deck vs RB
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The intake selection for a B is limited when compared to a RB.
With that said I went with a low deck. Because of header fitment issues with BS heads.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: low deck vs RB
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I also had the Rb stuff to start with .
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Re: low deck vs RB stroker
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I have owned, raced and built both, the low deck 400 blocks might be 5 lbs lighter than a 440 block, maybe not depending on each block The cold weather extra thick main web 400 weigh more than a standard 440 block I had to weigh 4 or more of each size bloxcks to find that out for myself due to the urban myth spread on here about the 400 blocks blocks weighing from 20 to 40 lbs lighter than a 440 block, thats BS I have seen several 440 motor split the main webs, especially between the #1 and # 3 cylinders I have not seen that in a low deck so far I have seen both blocks split cylinders so the choice is yours to make My pump gas 518 low deck stroker made 775 HP on Oregon pump gas last month on a DTS engine dyno, that motor has a set of CNC ported 440-1 heads on it. My 527 C.I. (440 block)high deck bracket motor with 12.8 to 1 compression and a little more camshaft( low deck is 260@.050 int.,266 at .050 EX with .700 lift, the high deck cam is 275 @.050 Int. and 282@.050 EX, similar lift) made the same amount of power on the same dyno last year with the same carb. using 110 octane race gas The bracket motor has a set of indy SR heads that are M.W. intake port sizes from Indy
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Re: low deck vs RB stroker
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Cab there is more to an engine than a block. The crank is lighter, the intake, push rods and on some stokers the rods. Here is some facts that you might find interesting. http://www.arengineering.com/articles/sonicbig.html
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Re: low deck vs RB stroker
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When it comes to stroker cranks and aftermarket race rods the same length rods wiegh the same The low deck stroker crank versus the same brand and stroke length in either motor may be 2 to 3 lbs depending on the bob wieghts. My 512-518 low deck stroker pistons weighed 453 grams with no pins, rings , retainers or oil, the 527 pistons weighed 547 grams, if I'm remembering both weights correctly. the 512-518 motor has a set of CAT brand 6.800 long H beam steel rods and the 527 has a set of Manley 6.960 long H beam steel rods, the longest I could buy at that time. I'm sure the longer rod is heavier being both are steel, but both motors made almost the same power even though the 527 has more compression and camshaft I think the better heads outweighed the C.I., compression and camshaft advantage of the RB motor versus the low deck motor Lots of different ways to skin the kitty
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Re: low deck vs RB stroker
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1978 400 351 lbs 1974 440 376 lbs That is the weight of a LB and a RB short block. Not counting the intake or push rods. Andy weighed them in one of his articles. Add the weight of the push rods and intake and you will with in a pound or so of 30 lbs. As far as the two examples you gave one RB and one LB they are not even close. How would you deduce that one would be superior over the other or not by two completely different engines. They are not even close. I hope you have all that information on those two engines where you can copy and paste it to save time. Now where's my Moroso slide-rule 775 hp and.....
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Re: low deck vs RB stroker
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The advantages of the low deck are spelled out in the above posts..... plus in the case of the 400 block- bigger bore size which helps the heads and top end breathe..............
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