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Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear #849881
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Just got off the phone with Brewers, They think that since my engine was line bored, that thats why the tranny falls out of 4th gear under decell. Now this did this with 2 different engines, and both were line bored. But now Im switching to a lakewood bell, so He sujjested to have the thing measured out for runout, and make sure I am dialed inn.

Has anyone else had this same issue?

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849882
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Where is the beating the horse graemlin.
Never mix and match bellhousings and blocks without indicating.
Even the factory stuff is off by miles.

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: theclutcher] #849883
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Well I did my measuring, and I guess I didnt think things through very well because I started my zero basically at random at like 4o clock, and at 12 o clock i got .017, and at 6 o clock I got like -.012, it was pretty even on the sides, and I basically took my readings every 10 degrees. Am I thinking correctly that I need a .014 off set pin to correct this?

I might wipe al my markings off tomarrow anr do a reading from accual zero, and then go from there.

Any help from you pros would be great.

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849884
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Just got off the phone with Brewers, They think that since my engine was line bored, that thats why the tranny falls out of 4th gear under decell. Now this did this with 2 different engines, and both were line bored. But now Im switching to a lakewood bell, so He sujjested to have the thing measured out for runout, and make sure I am dialed inn.

Has anyone else had this same issue?

Kasey




Sometimes worn dog teeth will do the same thing

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849885
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When you get that figured out, contact RobbMc Performance for those dowel pins.



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Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: rowin4] #849886
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Thats who Ive priced some from!.!
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Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849887
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I can read into your answer that you didn't like the price, I didn't either but after getting them installed I know they were worth it. Quality items that are well engineered.


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Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849888
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Hows your linkage adjustments? Stick it in 4th gear and give it some bias in that direction with the adjuster.

If youve already been through that, try what your doing now. If that doesnt solve it, somethings worn in the tranny. mike

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Sport440] #849889
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I already did that with the linkage, and checked all the obvious crap. I did find 4 gear linkage hitting the cross member, and corrected that, but that wasnt it.

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: rowin4] #849890
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I can read into your answer that you didn't like the price, I didn't either but after getting them installed I know they were worth it. Quality items that are well engineered.




Same here , the only alternative I know of is the Lakewood dowels and they are actually FORD dowels even though they list them as ford and mopar. they are too big for mopar and you can't easily adjust them , the RobbMc make dialing in a snap.

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: JohnRR] #849891
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Just make sure they dont loosen up.
Seen it happen.
I prefer the old fashioned ones.
If thier a bit tight, fit them.
Todays mechanic seems to want everything a bolt on.

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: theclutcher] #849892
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Dont the adjustable ones have a set screw to wedge it inthere.

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849893
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Yep and seen them loosen on an indicated torkflite.
All the work to do that and to have that happen...
Luckily it wasnt my deal, would have pitched em in a heartbeat.
Think about it.
Any vibes and bolts loosen.
That happens and the bell moves around.
only downside with those.

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Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: theclutcher] #849894
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I plan on using the green penetrating lock tight. That stuff if like a weld when it sets up.

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849895
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I plan on using the green penetrating lock tight. That stuff if like a weld when it sets up.




Blue should fine , if you use the red or thaat green you'll never get it apart . I use blue on flexplates bolts on a diesel and they do not loosen .

Scott , good tip on them loosening up. Fitting the lakewoods is an understatement, they are .004 too big into a hole that a is press fit for a .496 size pin, people have cracked their blocks using them .

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: JohnRR] #849896
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I poped the side cover off, and did a visual, and it seems to go into 4th ok when I manually move the colar. It snaps into both 4th and 3rd, and its fairly stout like the detents are strong. There is not much metal in the oil, and I know I have buzzed the thing into reverse a few times. I think my linkage is funky. Seems like when i put the thing into reverse I really have to give the shifter a good shove, and it goes inn, but I wouldnt let anyone hop in it and take it for a drive. Im gonna hook up the shifter on the tranny and do some fine tuneing.

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849897
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You may have to align the side cover for ease of reverse engagement.
using early style cover?
Late covers and cases had some alignment holes here the shoulder of the bolt aligned the case to housing.
early ones float a bit and sometimes need to be pried upward while tightening cover bolts for ease of reverse engagement.

John,
Had my share of loose dowels too.
Get impatient fitting and make too small.
usually stick dowel in drill press and use sandpaper with file or stick backup.

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: theclutcher] #849898
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This tranny has the shouldered bolts on the side cover, and they are in the "alignment" holes. It did float a bit.

Kasey

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: Moparnut426] #849899
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When the cover goes back on next time, pry it upward against the reverse boss and see if it eases engagement.
Another tip recieved from someone on here long ago, I think....
What else I forget?

Re: Possible reason for 4th dropping out on 833 4 gear [Re: theclutcher] #849900
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You may have to align the side cover for ease of reverse engagement.
using early style cover?
Late covers and cases had some alignment holes here the shoulder of the bolt aligned the case to housing.
early ones float a bit and sometimes need to be pried upward while tightening cover bolts for ease of reverse engagement.

John,
Had my share of loose dowels too.
Get impatient fitting and make too small.
usually stick dowel in drill press and use sandpaper with file or stick backup.





Thanks for the TIP!!

It worked! Very simple, and I can feel the results on the bench.

Kasey

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