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'splain to me why
#848474
11/07/10 10:29 PM
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DragDart360
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Every time I tow my car the tie downs are loose when I arrive at my destination.  I have axle straps at rear and loops welded to the K frame in front. I tighten all straps with car in neutral then put it in park for travel. I have Summit tie down straps.
70 Dart Swinger, 2850 lbs
SB 408, Bullet roller 264/268 @50 .636 SSDS stage 2 Edelbrock heads, 1 7/8 Headmans, 1050 dominator by Dom, 9.867 @ 133
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: DragDart360]
#848477
11/07/10 10:43 PM
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The straps will stretch once they have a load put agianst them, try driving it 4 to 15 miles and retighten them, really honk down on them both times  What weight are your straps and tie downs rated at? I use four 5,000 lb rachet strap tie downs and the four 5,000 tie down straps, two straps wrap around the rear end housing, one on each ladder bar bracket and two in the front wrapped around the K member  they will loosen up, the longer I drive it before checking, (sometimes I forget to check  ) the looser it will be  Once I retighten them they seem to say tight until I get to where I'm going 
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: rickstershemi]
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11/09/10 11:08 AM
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I tow with an enclosed trailer and I have a block of wood cut to slide under the K frame up front. I ratchet it down on the block so it doesn't bounce while towing. My car has adjustable shocks on back and I set them full stiff when we ratchet the back down.
Never had the car come loose towing 80 mph at times. You have to keep it from bouncing thats how they get loose.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: wyoming]
#848481
11/09/10 08:01 PM
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I've found that if you pull the straps really tight before you ratchet you don't get enough strap rolled around the ratchet center bar they will back off easily, better to have a roll of strap on the roller, they hold better, mine used to loosen and I finally figured out I just wasn't getting enough strap rapped around the roller, think it was causing the strap to slip just a little.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: DragDart360]
#848483
11/09/10 09:14 PM
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How are you connecting the straps? I always cross the two straps on the back of the car (an "X" pattern), ratchet then snug, then tighten the car in place with the front straps pulling straight forward. Also, Make sure the car is in neutral when tightening the straps. I don't like to two in "park" but some do. I feel if you tow in park, you could damage the transmission with the car rocking against the parking pawl. Never tighten the car in place while in "park".
Scott
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: 65dragnet]
#848484
11/09/10 09:36 PM
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I've found that if you pull the straps really tight before you ratchet you don't get enough strap rolled around the ratchet center bar they will back off easily, better to have a roll of strap on the roller, they hold better, mine used to loosen and I finally figured out I just wasn't getting enough strap rapped around the roller, think it was causing the strap to slip just a little.
Yes the straps have to have at least one wrap around the ratchet pin before tightening also tie suspension down not the body
I even find that when I tow my quads on top of my snowmobile trailer if I don't get a little bit of wrap around the ratchet mechanisim before snugging it down, they will work themselves a little loose. Found the same thing on the car hauler I borrowed a couple times as well.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: DragDart360]
#848485
11/09/10 10:33 PM
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Those blue Summit straps are cheap and stretch. I had mine rewebbed and the stretching stopped. I towed 17K miles this past summer and my Kinedyne straps didn't stretch. IMO Never cross your straps, keep em on each corner. That way if one strap breaks the other one isn't trying to pull your car off the trailer. Here's my summit straps rewebbed with Kinedyne material. There is a difference, I'm here to tell you. I used these for 12K miles so far. 
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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11/09/10 10:42 PM
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I just completed another 1200 mile trip hauling my 64 bonneville from the gulf coast back to Michigan, the straps were just as tight as when I left. I use 4 straps, all straight front to back. I have never had a strap come loose, knock on wood, but I have at least three raps around the center mechanisim. Thats what does the holding, the binding of the strap on top of the next one. Also make sure the handle is locked down, not half way up. I really don't crank them down either , just tight on the rear end and the front lower control arm, just let the body bounce.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: Challenger 1]
#848487
11/09/10 11:04 PM
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OK I follow all the golden rules. I think it's the cheap straps stretching. I'll have new quality straps before next season.
Thanks for all the informative replys
70 Dart Swinger, 2850 lbs
SB 408, Bullet roller 264/268 @50 .636 SSDS stage 2 Edelbrock heads, 1 7/8 Headmans, 1050 dominator by Dom, 9.867 @ 133
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#848489
11/10/10 10:47 AM
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I've found that if you pull the straps really tight before you ratchet you don't get enough strap rolled around the ratchet center bar they will back off easily, better to have a roll of strap on the roller, they hold better, mine used to loosen and I finally figured out I just wasn't getting enough strap rapped around the roller, think it was causing the strap to slip just a little.
Yes the straps have to have at least one wrap around the ratchet pin before tightening also tie suspension down not the body
I even find that when I tow my quads on top of my snowmobile trailer if I don't get a little bit of wrap around the ratchet mechanisim before snugging it down, they will work themselves a little loose. Found the same thing on the car hauler I borrowed a couple times as well.
Gotta have it wrapped around a couple times or they will loosen up.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: Challenger 1]
#848491
11/12/10 03:20 PM
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IMO Never cross your straps, keep em on each corner.
That way if one strap breaks the other one isn't trying to pull your car off the trailer.
If you don't cross at least one pair of straps, the car can move side-to-side while strapped down. Yes, I have seen it happen, enough to move the vinyl floor tiles out of position.
Scott
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: ProStDodge]
#848492
11/12/10 10:48 PM
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IMO Never cross your straps, keep em on each corner.
That way if one strap breaks the other one isn't trying to pull your car off the trailer.
If you don't cross at least one pair of straps, the car can move side-to-side while strapped down. Yes, I have seen it happen, enough to move the vinyl floor tiles out of position.
Scott
First off, Don't you think the cheap floor tiles have anything to do with it??
What happens if one of those crossed straps comes loose? Seems like it would pull the car sideways.
I have trailer ed my car on a open steel deck trailer now for over 35K miles in the last 3 summers and it never moves on the trailer. Even without straps tight, Parking brake is always on and in PARK. 17K miles this year.
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BTW I have pulled a 49' trailer over 100K miles and this small open trailer has been way cooler and a lot more fun than the huge enclosed. I can get the open trailer in most campgrounds. No more people asking on the CB, what's in the trailer? Just cool thumbs up by most people we see.
Last edited by Challenger 1; 11/13/10 01:03 AM.
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Re: 'splain to me why
[Re: ProStDodge]
#848493
11/12/10 11:02 PM
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IMO Never cross your straps, keep em on each corner.
That way if one strap breaks the other one isn't trying to pull your car off the trailer.
If you don't cross at least one pair of straps, the car can move side-to-side while strapped down. Yes, I have seen it happen, enough to move the vinyl floor tiles out of position.
Scott
It's the law here to have your straps crossed when towing
I would imagine some states would also have the same laws 
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