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Re: Engine build advice [Re: bobs66440] #848339
11/24/10 10:24 AM
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That's not much of a cam. I'd probably go a little bigger

Re: Engine build advice [Re: Mr.Yuck] #848340
11/24/10 05:27 PM
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Quote:

That's not much of a cam. I'd probably go a little bigger




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Re: Engine build advice [Re: 68CoronetRT] #848341
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That may be smaller than a stock HP cam? You'll get a dead smooth idle out of that.


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Re: Engine build advice [Re: bobs66440] #848342
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On the port work, a shop that really knows Mopar iron heads can make improvements without spending a lot of time and money. Muscle Motors has offered a good mildly worked iron head.

However if you do the math, I think you'll find that if you go beyond a basic rebuild and good valve job on stock heads the cost comes close to or exceeds new Edelbrock or 440 source Al heads.

Rebuild stock heads plus a decent cam (more cam than what you posted) sound like the best plan to get what you are after and stay on budget.

Re: Engine build advice [Re: ahy] #848343
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I noticed this kit on summit a few days ago I had never seen before. Not really sure about the pistons, they seem to have a quench pad on one side and a good sized relief on the other side, and the compression height seems like it would build decent compression for a street engine. I figured I'd post the link up and see what other members thought about them because I wanted some opinions on them myself.

800 seems like a good price to me for a kit with forged pistons, they may be heavier and may not be the best, but they seem good for a budget build.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FEM-CSMHP816-300/?rtype=10

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Re: Engine build advice [Re: GTX MATT] #848344
11/25/10 11:31 PM
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Maybe toss that cam over the garden wall.............seat to seat duration is a whopping 288/298 (112 lsa) , overlap @ seat to seat is around 69 degrees , the MP .474 is around 238/238 @ .050 with seat to seat around 60* , will make more power along with better idle , .050 numbers are not always what you should be looking @ when deciding on a cam.

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Re: Engine build advice [Re: 602heavy] #848345
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The kit add didn't say much about the pistons. Compression height, dome volume ect. Generally a dome piston in a 440 will produce too much compession for pump gas. Getting quench to work on open chamber heads requires a quench pad piston like a KB which is different from a dome. It also requires machining the pad and/or each chamber of the head to establish the desired clearance of about .040". Its quite time consuming.

For a budget build with open chamber heads, a flat top picked to give 9.0 - 9.5 CR is a better choice. Cast hypereutetic (Keith Black) should work fine.

If you want quench, its a lot easier (and cheaper I believe) to use closed chamber aluminum heads and a flat top piston set at zero deck. The typical .040" gasket will set the quench distance.

Re: Engine build advice [Re: ahy] #848346
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Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Engine build advice [Re: GTX MATT] #848347
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Depending mostly on cylinder deck height and head volume, that piston looks like it would give about 10:1 compression ratio (bluprint deck and 88cc head). Quench with those is uncertain. 10:1 with iron heads is realy too much for pump gas.

Re: Engine build advice [Re: GTX MATT] #848348
11/26/10 10:17 AM
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The L-2295F is a bit of an odd carrot for what is deemed a practical pump gas build today. No quench with the 2.03" CH, but puts the CR on the sunny side of 10.0:1.

If you put 92 cc heads on it, fat enough gasket, minimal or no deck cutting and the right cam, I'm sure you could make it work.

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Re: Engine build advice [Re: bobs66440] #848349
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Re: Engine build advice [Re: bobs66440] #848350
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For the piston with iron heads, something like the KB237 would be in the ballpark. Compression should be in lower 9's depending on the rest of the setup. Below is from Mancini. This would also work well with aluminum heads if you upgrade later.


440 - 88cc / 9.5 to 1 (Set of 8)
We stock STD. / .030 over, all other sizes need to be special ordered

SPECIFICATIONS Bore: 4.32 Rod Length: 6.768 Pin Diameter: 1.094

Stroke: 3.75 Comp. Ht: 2.067

Crank-to-Deck Clearance: 10.725 Weight Piston / Pin: 770 / 191

NOTES (HYPER) Zero deck clearance can be achieved. Best combination with closed chamber heads, if compression ratio works out for your conbination.
$329.95
KB237

SIZE: STD..20.30.40.60

Re: Engine build advice [Re: ahy] #848351
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The second cam should be in the ballpark and can work with cost effective stock rocker gear. The first is probably too much and really needs adjustable rockers ($ for decent/reliable ones).

Re: Engine build advice [Re: ahy] #848352
11/26/10 02:03 PM
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Hoe about this one...........

Lunati Voodoo

262/268. advertised
220/226 @ .050"
112 lobe sep/108 icl.
41 degrees O/L @ seat to seat.

Those voodoo cams are possibly the best off the shelf grinds out there in my opinion , or should we say those Harold Brookshire cams.....

Summit part # 60302.


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